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Question about ranked opponents
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:29 pm
Does beating a ranked team who turns out to be not as good as the ranking suggests hold more weight than beating a team who exceeds expectations and becomes highly ranked?
What do we normally go by, end of year results or the results of that particular week?
Does this also affect SOS rankings throughout the season?
What do we normally go by, end of year results or the results of that particular week?
Does this also affect SOS rankings throughout the season?
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:31 pm to TheGusBus34
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:31 pm to TheGusBus34
Rank at time of game is kind of silly IMHO
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:34 pm to TheGusBus34
um.....
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It definitely is, it seems as fans hold on to teams they beat that are ranked as an excuse to say they played someone great. Im not even talking bout this year, it happens yearly.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Rank at time of game is kind of silly IMHO
In most cases I agree. FSU is an exception to that, in my opinion. Their entire team dynamic changed when Francois went down at the end of that game. I think that really did a number on them.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It used to be more important than now. Perception is reality. In 1991 Tech beat 7 ranked teams, one of which was ranked #1. The final poll which Tech shared a title with Colorado had zero Tech opponents ranked. I believe their best win was a 7 win team. Polls were beauty pageants and the girl with the best dress won most years.
Now it's a committee...who should be looking at facts and not perceptions.
Now it's a committee...who should be looking at facts and not perceptions.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Rank at time of game is kind of silly IMHO
It is and it isn't.
A situation like Florida State's is a good example. There is a significant difference between the FSU that Bama beat, and the FSU that their 10 remaining opponents have faced or will face. Was FSU deserving of their #3 ranking at the time? Polls are obviously subjective, and never more so than before the season has even kicked off. FSU might not be ranked at season's end, and they almost certainly won't be top 3. But does that diminish the significance of Bama's win?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:41 pm to TheGusBus34
TCU good.
SEC Fuuuuuuucked.
SEC Fuuuuuuucked.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:43 pm to bamawriter
I didn't think FSU was worthy of #3 in the first place. 2016 losses to UNC, UL(by40) and Clemson. FSU didnt make it to their conference championship or the playoff but are magically the #3 team in the nation.
With or without Francois,FSU was pretty pedestrian and its now showing.
With or without Francois,FSU was pretty pedestrian and its now showing.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:49 pm to bamawriter
I think a player's injury and their rank are two separate issues.
It cuts the other way, too. There are years when a team is playing early without a good player, or has an identity crisis and they lose a couple games. By the end of the year they are a totally different team (Auburn 2013, Texas A&M 2012, etc). A win over them in September is not the same as a win in November.
Basically, analyze things with your brain and make a reasonable decision.
It cuts the other way, too. There are years when a team is playing early without a good player, or has an identity crisis and they lose a couple games. By the end of the year they are a totally different team (Auburn 2013, Texas A&M 2012, etc). A win over them in September is not the same as a win in November.
Basically, analyze things with your brain and make a reasonable decision.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:50 pm to TheGusBus34
While ranking at the time can be silly, sometimes it should be considered because teams literally do fall off after a crushing emotional loss, major injury, or something along those lines. That doesn't mean that they weren't worthy of the ranking at that time.
Like everything, context is important.
Like everything, context is important.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:52 pm to FairhopeTider
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Like everything, context is important.
LOL context involves observation and critical thinking, so, no thanks.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Rank at time of game is kind of silly IMHO
This, but this is usually what is referenced when saying you beat a ranked opponent.
When you said Coach "X" is 2-8 vs teams in the top 10. It is for teams in the top 10 at the time they played, not at years in.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:54 pm to Farmer1906
It's almost completely a result of the fact that it's difficult for people to accumulate massive data on rankings at years end.
All data is indexed with the "ranking" at the time of the game, so we go with that. If you are looking at a coach's career, you will literally have to go back and look at each opponents end of year ranking. That's hard, so we just pick the easy way.
All data is indexed with the "ranking" at the time of the game, so we go with that. If you are looking at a coach's career, you will literally have to go back and look at each opponents end of year ranking. That's hard, so we just pick the easy way.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think a player's injury and their rank are two separate issues.
It cuts the other way, too. There are years when a team is playing early without a good player, or has an identity crisis and they lose a couple games. By the end of the year they are a totally different team (Auburn 2013, Texas A&M 2012, etc). A win over them in September is not the same as a win in November.
Basically, analyze things with your brain and make a reasonable decision.
This. For example: Clemson's win over Auburn is going to look good this season, but they were not firing on all cylinders offensively by any stretch of the imagination. If Auburn continues their current trajectory, the team that plays in November looks nothing like the one that Clemson played in September - at least on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:00 pm to TheGusBus34
I don't think opponent rank carries as much weight as opponent win/loss records...but I could be wrong.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:21 pm to bamawriter
& was ranked 12th with an 0-1 record while others had 3 games under their belt (usually 2-3 wins as well). 
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 4:22 pm
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