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Posted on 10/7/19 at 5:38 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
I wish we played Georgia more. But...I, like so many LSU fans, hate Florida with every fiber of my being. It makes for good football when it’s an actual rivalry and not just another game.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 5:40 pm to KingOfTheWorld
Yepp, people mad at Bama cause UT quite playing football. LSU gonna be even more mad in a few weeks when Nicky pushes little joes shite in!!
Posted on 10/7/19 at 5:42 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
The good news is that, with an intra-divisional game to cross-divisional game ratio of 3:1 (formerly 5:3) and not much parity, cross-division games rarely affect who plays in the SEC CG. In fact, no cross-division game has mattered at all in that regard since 2011 when South Carolina won the East's internal round robin but still lost the division to Georgia. That was the most recent of only six instances thus far. Here are all six:
Year - Team that played in the CG (team that would have played in the CG if cross-division games didn't count)
1992 - Florida (Tennessee)
1993 - Alabama (LSU)
1995 - Arkansas (LSU)
2002 - Georgia (Florida)
2007 - Tennessee (Florida)
2011 - Georgia (South Carolina)
If you're an LSU fan, the bad news is that LSU has been the team most fricked by the fact that cross-division games count in division races. (They shouldn't. You have my sympathy.)
Here is a listing of all SEC teams, sorted from most fricked to least fricked, followed by their “We've been fricked!” score, which is scientifically determined by subtracting the number of times that each team has benefited from cross-divisional play from the number of times that they've been fricked over by it:
a - b = we've been fricked! score, where a = benefited and b = fricked!
LSU 2
Florida 1
South Carolina 1
Auburn 0
Kentucky 0
Mississippi St 0
Missouri 0
Ole Miss 0
Tennessee 0
Texas A&M 0
Vanderbilt 0
Alabama -1
Arkansas -1
Georgia -2
Year - Team that played in the CG (team that would have played in the CG if cross-division games didn't count)
1992 - Florida (Tennessee)
1993 - Alabama (LSU)
1995 - Arkansas (LSU)
2002 - Georgia (Florida)
2007 - Tennessee (Florida)
2011 - Georgia (South Carolina)
If you're an LSU fan, the bad news is that LSU has been the team most fricked by the fact that cross-division games count in division races. (They shouldn't. You have my sympathy.)
Here is a listing of all SEC teams, sorted from most fricked to least fricked, followed by their “We've been fricked!” score, which is scientifically determined by subtracting the number of times that each team has benefited from cross-divisional play from the number of times that they've been fricked over by it:
a - b = we've been fricked! score, where a = benefited and b = fricked!
LSU 2
Florida 1
South Carolina 1
Auburn 0
Kentucky 0
Mississippi St 0
Missouri 0
Ole Miss 0
Tennessee 0
Texas A&M 0
Vanderbilt 0
Alabama -1
Arkansas -1
Georgia -2
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:01 pm to southernboisb
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What does that do to the Iron Bowl?
I’m willing to agree to Bama not playing Auburn every season. I can live with playing AU swapped out evenly like every other cross divisional game. I reiterate, I would swap out AU & Mizzou then do away with permanent cross divisional games in order to be more fair for everyone. Lord help us if LSU somehow loses to Florida Saturday night then Bama goes undefeated or loses only one game but that loss is not LSU. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in Red Stick.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:03 pm to tickfawtiger
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You have to be cognizant of the FACT that certain other schools WANT/NEED to keep their own permanent opponents so they can have an easier path to bowl games...i.e. Ole Ms/Vandy/KY/ARky/MO/SC ALL want to keep the easier opponent and will NEVER vote for a 'balance/fair' schedule !
Tuck you you tucking idiot.
SC has A&M as pur perm opponent.
Your fricktard assumption is shite.
We'll play anyone. We dgaf.
What we're simply saying is keep permanent opponents, that's tine, but send Auburn to the East, make Bama and Auburn permanent opponents and that fixes almost everything where scheduling is concerned. Mizzou now goes to the West and Arkansas and Mizzou gets new permanent opponents.
You understand how it works right?
Probably not you assumptive frick.
Want to keep playing easy opponents my arse.
So wait, I get it now. You're claiming only LSU/UF is a worthy permanent opponent matchup? That's what you're saying?
lulz .... fricking crybaby.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:05 pm to PHS
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PHS
Thank you for all that information man. That was awesome knowing all those teams that would have won their division if cross divisional games didn’t count. You need to post more man.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:25 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
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this really needs to be revisted bama who just so happens to be neighbor with sec headquarters gets to play tenn while lsu has florida yea that is fair..
It has been discussed at nausea! While the thought of some team getting to play Vandy as their cross div rival just about guaranteeing a win every year, that is a very minor aspect of this debate!
The biggest reason to end cross divisional permanent teams is to allow all SEC players to play each team at least one time in their SEC careers if they stay 4 years! That should be the mitigating factor to have different cross division teams each year!
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:35 pm to Dudebro2
& please tell us the perfect schedule solution.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:17 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
I like playing UF
Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:32 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
quote:It's not fair, to bama fans.
lsu has florida yea that is fair..
As LSU fans, we get a great matchup pretty much every year with some vitriol, and respect. That's what makes college football great.
If you don't want your team playing tough opponents, go root for an ACC school. LSU vs UF is an awesome series and as fans we're lucky to have it. I dare say bama fans wish Tennessee would put up more of a fight. Right now they're just a SOS killer for bama.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:35 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
quote:Now you're just being a pussy. Quit embarrassing LSU nation
thanks for proving my point lsu has to play them more
i told ya so
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:34 pm to southernboisb
quote:do away with divisions
& please tell us the perfect schedule solution.
keep the 8 game SEC schedule
everyone gets 3 permanent rival games and plays a home & home with the other 4 schools
everyone sees every other SEC team 2 times every 4 years
with 14 teams, there is not a better way to do it
I would also like to see 2 OOC P5 games required, but I really don't care as much about that...
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:39 pm to CajunTiger_225
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Go look in between those regualr season games from the first and the last at how many times Bamas played Vandy. Its criminal.
Alabama has played Vanderbilt 2 times in the last 12 years
LSU has played Vanderbilt 3 times in the last 12 years
Wow, you are right, that IS CRIMINAL!
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:45 pm to dcbl
So let's see...
A. NCAA requires divisions for 10+ teams unless they do a FULL round-robin schedule. (Which divisions also must be round-robin format.)
B. Multiple tie-breakers needed to rank everybody against everybody else due to lack of common opponents.
C. Which 3 teams does each team keep as perm?
A. NCAA requires divisions for 10+ teams unless they do a FULL round-robin schedule. (Which divisions also must be round-robin format.)
B. Multiple tie-breakers needed to rank everybody against everybody else due to lack of common opponents.
C. Which 3 teams does each team keep as perm?
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:57 pm to southernboisb
quote:frick the NCAA, they would not dare oppose us in this if we decide to do it
A. NCAA requires divisions for 10+ teams unless they do a FULL round-robin schedule. (Which divisions also must be round-robin format.)
quote:so the frick what, I will live with Tie breakers for better football/road trips
B. Multiple tie-breakers needed to rank everybody against everybody else due to lack of common opponents
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C. Which 3 teams does each team keep as perm?
Here is the best scenerio for perm games:
Alabama - Auburn, Tennessee, MSU
Auburn - Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Arkansas - Texas A&M, LSU, Mizzou
Florida - Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia - Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky - Tennessee, Vandy, Miss State
LSU - Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Ole Miss - Miss State, LSU, Vandy
Miss State - Ole Miss, Kentucky, Alabama
Mizzou - Texas A&M, Arkansas, South Carolina
South Carolina - Georgia, Florida, Mizzou
Tennessee - Alabama, Kentucky, Vandy
Texas A&M - LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy - Ole Miss, Tennessee, Kentucky
Only thing bad is that Auburn has the toughest perm rivals, but those 3 games are the most important to them...
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:13 pm to dcbl
A. The NCAA will have to let EVERYONE redo their format. Highly doubt that'll work.
B. This has already been addressed in another thread.
C. & Aub. will complain because Ala. has MSU, LSU has 2 easier opponents, etc.. (also addressed in another thread).
B. This has already been addressed in another thread.
C. & Aub. will complain because Ala. has MSU, LSU has 2 easier opponents, etc.. (also addressed in another thread).
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:20 pm to SweetTeaOnionRings
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permanent cross-divisional sec games
...shouldn't count in calculating division championships.
IMO there should be no permanent cross-division rivalry games and all cross-division games should be put in even rotation.
No need to meddle with division composition unless there's some additional expansion.
Aside from that, things right now are just the way they are. All SEC teams simply have to play the hands they're dealt and win if they want to earn the Playoff Committee's consideration and endorsement.
That being said, none of that has anything to do with real or perceived favorably biased treatment Alabama has, or has not received. That topic and linkage to it is unnecessary and irrelevant in support of my opinion of cross-divisional games.
Pro Alabama bias is a subject for another time and another thread where cooler heads and even tempers can prevail for a reasoned and reasonable discussion.
But, because it's already been mentioned...
The reason it seems linked to some and what's probably behind the seemingly unhinged rage some fan bases in general, and LSU's in particular, express discussing the topic of pro-Alabama bias is because often some of the Alabama fan base acts just like the Trump Impeaching Progressive Socialist Democrats supporting, defending, ignoring, and denying Clinton corruption, FBI corruption, and a Deep State, MSM abetted coup attempt when the truth of it is obvious to everyone.
Some of Alabama's fan base mock other fan bases' perception of Tom Ritter's Alabama bias because he's their James Comey.
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:40 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
As an LSU fan, the Florida game is a highlight on the schedule, no doubt about it. Just as the Auburn game is.
My issue isn't that it's "unfair". It always will be unfair to someone.
I want to see more cross-division games. It's an LSU thing, historically; we never faced UGA with Herschel Walker, Auburn with Bo Jackson, Tennessee with Peyton Manning. These are 3 of the greatest players in CFB history, they were in the SEC, and we never saw them on the field. You'd like to think there's a way to prevent this type of thing from happening again. The way things are now, you could get 1 of them (Auburn), but only because that's a divisional game now.
My issue isn't that it's "unfair". It always will be unfair to someone.
I want to see more cross-division games. It's an LSU thing, historically; we never faced UGA with Herschel Walker, Auburn with Bo Jackson, Tennessee with Peyton Manning. These are 3 of the greatest players in CFB history, they were in the SEC, and we never saw them on the field. You'd like to think there's a way to prevent this type of thing from happening again. The way things are now, you could get 1 of them (Auburn), but only because that's a divisional game now.
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