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Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:50 am
You have to beat Alabama in aleast 2 of 3 phases of the game. I don't think you have to be perfect but efficient and savvy.
Alabama is only +3 turnover this season, so you want to put them on long fields 80 plus yards. Jhurts is a special player but a majority of our long plays have come on players on defense being out of place. So special teams is a key to pinning them back deep.
Our defense is special but there are several ways to attack it. You have to take advantage of DEs getting up the field and weakside Lbs crashing down in the backfield. Meaning your RBs and TEs have to be the focal point of your passing game. Screens and options routes in space will keep chains moving and our pass rush honest. Alabama CBs are taught to keep inside leverage and to use sidelines as an extra defender so majority of time we are in a cover 2 or Robber packages. You have to study the tendencies of our secondary we 2 players who will bite on double moves. So you have to take shots down field not based on down and distance but when an opportunity presents itself.
Saban is not the best Gameday Coach but his halftime adjustments are one his most underrated qualities. I know I left a few things out. I'm also aware of coaches get paid millions of dollars to do this stuff...I'm just offering a fan's perspective.
Alabama is only +3 turnover this season, so you want to put them on long fields 80 plus yards. Jhurts is a special player but a majority of our long plays have come on players on defense being out of place. So special teams is a key to pinning them back deep.
Our defense is special but there are several ways to attack it. You have to take advantage of DEs getting up the field and weakside Lbs crashing down in the backfield. Meaning your RBs and TEs have to be the focal point of your passing game. Screens and options routes in space will keep chains moving and our pass rush honest. Alabama CBs are taught to keep inside leverage and to use sidelines as an extra defender so majority of time we are in a cover 2 or Robber packages. You have to study the tendencies of our secondary we 2 players who will bite on double moves. So you have to take shots down field not based on down and distance but when an opportunity presents itself.
Saban is not the best Gameday Coach but his halftime adjustments are one his most underrated qualities. I know I left a few things out. I'm also aware of coaches get paid millions of dollars to do this stuff...I'm just offering a fan's perspective.
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Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:51 am to SmokeTide
Silver or Lead
Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:56 am to SmokeTide
Since refs give bama 50/50 calls against red headed stepchild lsu m it's hard for lsu to beat bama
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Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:05 am to SmokeTide
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beating 2016 Alabama...
Alabama is far from unbeatable. They can be shut down on offense, as they were against LSU, and torched for 40+ on defense, as they were against Ole Miss. These are two teams who combined to go 12-11 in the regular season who both had a decent chance to beat them, but just didn't have anything at all on the side of the ball they were weak at. A team with an offense as good as Ole Miss' was and any defense at all or a defense as good as LSU's with any offense at all has a reasonable chance of beating Alabama.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:07 am to Nuts4LSU
I kind of agree, but I don't think it's fair to use one bad game as an example.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:07 am to Nuts4LSU
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shut down on offense, as they were against LSU
Well, except for the 10 point thingy.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:09 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:Which teams have the total package for beating Alabama?
Alabama is far from unbeatable. They can be shut down on offense, as they were against LSU, and torched for 40+ on defense, as they were against Ole Miss. These are two teams who combined to go 12-11 in the regular season who both had a decent chance to beat them, but just didn't have anything at all on the side of the ball they were weak at. A team with an offense as good as Ole Miss' was and any defense at all or a defense as good as LSU's with any offense at all has a reasonable chance of beating Alabama.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:10 am to JETigER
LSU should've hired Dave Doeren
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:15 am to TomRollTideRitter
Bama will lose to Washington because Kiffin wants to go recruit, so he will be throwing the ball a bunch like he did in the first quarter vs Fla.
We may get to see a Kiffin vs Saban fight on the sidelines. I'll take the old midget against limp wrist Lane.
We may get to see a Kiffin vs Saban fight on the sidelines. I'll take the old midget against limp wrist Lane.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:18 am to RT1941
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an offense as good as Ole Miss'...a defense as good as LSU's
Which teams have the total package for beating Alabama?
They don't have to hold Alabama to 10 points and score 43. If they have a defense as good as LSU, they don't need an offense as good as Ole Miss, and vice versa. They just need to have something, anything at all, on that other side of the ball. Any kind of defense at all for Ole Miss or any kind of offense at all for LSU would have beaten Alabama. As for who has enough on both sides of the ball to do the trick, I don't know. Maybe nobody in the playoff. Maybe all three other teams in the playoff. Maybe one or more teams who aren't even in the playoff, like Michigan? The point is that Alabama is far from unbeatable and in fact has already been pretty seriously tested by two mediocre teams who just happened to be really good on one side of the ball but were absolute garbage on the other.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:18 am to SmokeTide
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Opinions on beating 2016 Alabama...
1. Must have talent (Ohio State & Clemson)
2. Must have balanced offense
3. Maintain mental edge / chip-on-shoulder. I.e, don't talk trash about Bama prior to the game (don't be like LSU)
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:21 am to elit4ce05
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shut down on offense, as they were against LSU
Well, except for the 10 point thingy.
In 2016, holding someone to 10 points is shutting them down. On top of that, it wasn't even really a legit 10 points because the last FG only happened after LSU had to go for it on 4th down in bad field position late in the game trailing 7-0, which set up the FG. A team with any kind of offense probably wouldn't be trailing 7-0 at that point and wouldn't need to go for it.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:29 am to Nuts4LSU
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In 2016, holding someone to 10 points is shutting them down. On top of that, it wasn't even really a legit 10 points because the last FG only happened after LSU had to go for it on 4th down in bad field position late in the game trailing 7-0, which set up the FG. A team with any kind of offense probably wouldn't be trailing 7-0 at that point and wouldn't need to go for it.
So you don't count the last 3 points because LSU gave Alabama the ball deep in LSU territory, but ignore the other three Alabama trips into the LSU red zone that netted 0 points (missed FG, turnover on downs at the 1, mercy knee)?
Got it.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:32 am to SmokeTide
Score more points.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:32 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:On a neutral field, I think Alabama would have beaten both OM & LSU by a wider margin.
They don't have to hold Alabama to 10 points and score 43. If they have a defense as good as LSU, they don't need an offense as good as Ole Miss, and vice versa. They just need to have something, anything at all, on that other side of the ball. Any kind of defense at all for Ole Miss or any kind of offense at all for LSU would have beaten Alabama. As for who has enough on both sides of the ball to do the trick, I don't know. Maybe nobody in the playoff. Maybe all three other teams in the playoff. Maybe one or more teams who aren't even in the playoff, like Michigan? The point is that Alabama is far from unbeatable and in fact has already been pretty seriously tested by two mediocre teams who just happened to be really good on one side of the ball but were absolute garbage on the other.
Bama was played in a very hostile environment at OM with a true-frosh QB and very inexperienced RBs, OM scored like 17 pts in the final couple of minutes of that game IIRC.
Bama played in the most hostile SEC stadium in BR with a super energized LSU team lead by a fired up HC ready to feast on their opponent.
IMO, the LSU game was much tougher than the OM game.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:34 am to JustGetItRight
quote:Well, he considers the OM game to be a near Bama loss even though OM scored 3 times in the final minutes of that game.
So you don't count the last 3 points because LSU gave Alabama the ball deep in LSU territory, but ignore the other three Alabama trips into the LSU red zone that netted 0 points (missed FG, turnover on downs at the 1, mercy knee)?
Got it.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:35 am to RT1941
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Which teams have the total package for beating Alabama?
Any team that is capable of playing great offense and defense on the same day is capable of beating Alabama. I know that is making it sound simple, and it isn't, but Clemson and OSU can do it in different ways. OSU is great at creating turnovers and turning them into good field position. Clemson can put a lot of points on the board and has speed and athleticism on defense that Alabama has only seen once this year (LSU). Neither team would be favored of course, and it won't be easy, but they could both do it on the right day.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:36 am to SmokeTide
Must hit a deep ball or two. Limit Hurts's legs. Shut down inside run game. Tackle Stewart before he takes a swing pass 20 yards downfield.
Most importantly, don't make stupid mistakes. It's obvious nowadays that many teams are intimidated by Alabama. Stupid play calls, boneheaded turnovers abound in these games.
Easier said than done.
Most importantly, don't make stupid mistakes. It's obvious nowadays that many teams are intimidated by Alabama. Stupid play calls, boneheaded turnovers abound in these games.
Easier said than done.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:37 am to Nuts4LSU
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On top of that, it wasn't even really a legit 10 points because the last FG only happened after LSU had to go for it on 4th down in bad field position late in the game trailing 7-0, which set up the FG. A team with any kind of offense probably wouldn't be trailing 7-0 at that point and wouldn't need to go for it.
That's not what happened. Bama intercepted a pass on LSU's next possession after the TD and it wasn't on 4th down.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:38 am to Nuts4LSU
It probably isn't wise to listen to any advice on beating Bama from anyone associated with Louisiana State. Auburn is much tougher competition.
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