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re: Official SECr Power Rankings, Week 2
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:51 am to Farmer1906
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:51 am to Farmer1906
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UT, 2-0 with a power 5 win. Easily above Auburn.
Power 5? If that's all it takes, we better declare Florida #1 in the SEC for their dismantling of Power 5 UK. See my point? VT is horrible. UT has not faced a decent team yet, played 3 poor halves of football and 1 good one. Easily above AU? No. Arguably? Yes
UGA, 2-0 with a power 5 win. Easily above Auburn.
The W does count for something...but that was a close game against UNC, a team we really don't know if they are any good or not...and one that many felt like they would have lost without an serious disparity in officiating that benefited UGA...then, legit nearly lost to Nichols State. Easily above AU? Hell no. Arguably..yeah I guess
UF, 2-0. No power 5 win, but no losses either. Looked good in wins. Argument could be made either way. I would still give the edge to Florida.
No, they do have a Power 5 win. Against UK...and looked pretty good doing it...but struggled with UMass (somewhat). If UF and AU were playing on a neutral field Saturday, who would be favored? And there ya go.
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Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:52 am to Robert Duval
At this point your .500. You don't get ranked high. That is how it works. I think an argument could be made for over Ole Miss or LSU, but not 2-0 teams with decent to good wins.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:56 am to Farmer1906
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At this point your .500. You don't get ranked high. That is how it works. I think an argument could be made for over Ole Miss or LSU, but not 2-0 teams with decent to good wins.
And this point would resonate well if Ole Miss wasn't ranked #4. LSU ranked over AU as well. Had AU not dropped after fixing the one problem that prevented them (barely) from being 2-0 with a win against a top 5 team, I wouldn't have even posted here. They got dropped...you can't tell me that anyone last week earned a jump over AU.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:59 am to Robert Duval
Sure I can. Arkansas. Their win over TCU is better than anything Auburn has done thus far. But then you get into the argument about bad losses vs good losses.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:06 am to Farmer1906
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Sure I can. Arkansas. Their win over TCU is better than anything Auburn has done thus far. But then you get into the argument about bad losses vs good losses.
I have no problem with Arkansas being rated higher than Auburn. Again though, polls are both resume and predicted resume...in other words, what you've done and how good you are. Power rankings are really just supposed to be how good you are.
I think we get a lot more clarity on AU and TAMU this weekend...and perhaps UGA, Mizzou, MSU and LSU. If Bama beats Ole Miss, as they probably will, neither ranking should really change much...unless we are really valuing the losses...because Ole Miss will be 1-2 with the lone winning coming against Wofford. Yeah I suppose they will drop. But should they? Wouldn't the rankings indicate that they SHOULD lose to FSU and Bama?
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:07 am to Farmer1906
Oh...was Arkansas the one that jumped AU? If so, this makes more sense.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:08 am to Robert Duval
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polls are both resume and predicted resume
But this is technically a "power ranking" so I would think it is more resume related with a heavy weight of what have you done for me lately.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:23 am to Farmer1906
Florida looked good in one win. That Umass game was not good football. They looked really good against Kentucky, but I'm not sure if that's because Kebtucky is really bad or Florida is really good or some mix of the two.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:32 am to Robert Duval
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At the risk of sounding like a total homer, I don't see how you drop Auburn a spot to the lowest conceivable position after last week. I know there are now some questions about Clemson w/their struggle vs Troy...but LOTS of good teams have struggled a bit vs poor competition this year.
I'm not sure that was a reflection on Auburn. It's early and there was a lot of movement this week, with teams going up and down. I think it's more likely it was a feeling like other teams performed much higher or lower than expectations.
Like I said, it's early. Keep playing well, and Auburn will keep climbing.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:36 am to semotruman
I try to keep up with every team and I swear I never see anything in the media regarding Missouri. I saw this list and I forgot they were even playing football this season. No flame -- I literally just never see anything regarding Mizzou football on here or on television.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:40 am to Robert Duval
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At the risk of sounding like a total homer, I don't see how you drop Auburn a spot to the lowest conceivable position after last week. I know there are now some questions about Clemson w/their struggle vs Troy...but LOTS of good teams have struggled a bit vs poor competition this year.
Eh, I don't mind where we are generally, but I don't see how you can put LSU over Auburn unless you're going off of paper potential...which makes no sense in "power rankings"
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:57 am to PharmacistReb
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I try to keep up with every team and I swear I never see anything in the media regarding Missouri.
That's ok, we like it that way! We tend to play better when the media ignores us and everyone overlooks us.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:10 pm to semotruman
semotruman:
What's the email to request to vote again? I meant to do that last week.
What's the email to request to vote again? I meant to do that last week.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:11 pm to Pettifogger
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Eh, I don't mind where we are generally, but I don't see how you can put LSU over Auburn unless you're going off of paper potential...which makes no sense in "power rankings"
Honestly what else do you have to differentiate between the two? I think it's apples and oranges at this point. You could say your loss "looks better". I could say your's was at home vs ours at a "neutral site". The two wins we both got were washes. I wouldn't care one way or the other if it was Auburn above LSU at this point. Learn more this week.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:45 pm to jbrau22
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Honestly what else do you have to differentiate between the two? I think it's apples and oranges at this point. You could say your loss "looks better". I could say your's was at home vs ours at a "neutral site". The two wins we both got were washes. I wouldn't care one way or the other if it was Auburn above LSU at this point. Learn more this week.
I don't really care either, I'm just questioning the reasoning. Auburn theoretically lost to a better team. Then arguably had a considerably better showing among creampuff games. Fair point about LSU on the road.
To me, power rankings are too often the same as regular rankings, meaning they rely on intangibles and expectations. Power rankings, IMO and as I understand the original use, should show where voters feel the teams are at this very moment.
TBH I'm less interested in seeing Auburn ranked where LSU is than I am in the basis for why LSU got that spot, if that makes sense.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:19 pm to Robert Duval
quote:Polls are. Power Rankings are not.
polls are both resume and predicted resume
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:53 pm to Drewbie
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polls are both resume and predicted resume
Polls are. Power Rankings are not.
What exactly are power rankings? I'm not sure if I know the difference.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 2:02 pm to ryanexsus
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But this is technically a "power ranking" so I would think it is more resume related with a heavy weight of what have you done for me lately.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 2:09 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't really care either, I'm just questioning the reasoning. Auburn theoretically lost to a better team. Then arguably had a considerably better showing among creampuff games. Fair point about LSU on the road.
To me, power rankings are too often the same as regular rankings, meaning they rely on intangibles and expectations. Power rankings, IMO and as I understand the original use, should show where voters feel the teams are at this very moment.
TBH I'm less interested in seeing Auburn ranked where LSU is than I am in the basis for why LSU got that spot, if that makes sense.
Fair and valid argument. In fact if voting was done again for this week, I would probably place LSU as the second-to-last West team (above State) and above the bottom 4 of the east. I believe the only thing that would change in my vote is flip-flopping Auburn and LSU. But like I said its kind of a toss up...you may have "arguably" the better loss and did look better against your cupcake team (although LSU's cupcake was a lil tougher
)...but based on two weeks I should have probably had Auburn above LSU.Posted on 9/14/16 at 3:02 pm to semotruman
This will completely change after this week IMO
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