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re: Newton Eligibility Ruling Question

Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by gabster121
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:07 pm to
I have two Newton Eligibility questions that may be easy for those who understand the rules better than I...

1. Cam Newton was found to be ineligible by Auburn for deeds committed whilst he was shopping for schools a year ago. The school declared him ineligible this week (for 24 hrs)... but doesn't his ineligible status start from when the "crime" was committed, not from when it was discovered (or no longer undeniable)? Wouldn't that mean Cam was ineligible from the start of the season until the NCAA declared him eligible on Wednesday? Wouldn't that mean none of Auburn's wins count (except for tomorrow, presumably) since they played with an ineligible player?

2. How is Cam academically eligible? He was at florida and was about to be expelled for academic fraud, then skipped town. He never answered (as far as I know) to those charges. Is there a 1 year grace period that wipes away all academic improprieties (i.e., why he went to communitiy college for a year)?

Thanks.
BTW Not an Auburn hater (any more than anyone else from outside Auburn!), although I do enjoy schadenfreude...
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

1. Cam Newton was found to be ineligible by Auburn for deeds committed whilst he was shopping for schools a year ago. The school declared him ineligible this week (for 24 hrs)... but doesn't his ineligible status start from when the "crime" was committed, not from when it was discovered (or no longer undeniable)? Wouldn't that mean Cam was ineligible from the start of the season until the NCAA declared him eligible on Wednesday? Wouldn't that mean none of Auburn's wins count (except for tomorrow, presumably) since they played with an ineligible player?
That is a question that has yet to be answered. However, there have been past instances when the ineligibility starts when enough evidence is discovered to declare the athlete ineligible, not when the infraction happened. I think, but am not sure, the Damon Stoudemire case is an example.

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2. How is Cam academically eligible? He was at florida and was about to be expelled for academic fraud, then skipped town. He never answered (as far as I know) to those charges. Is there a 1 year grace period that wipes away all academic improprieties (i.e., why he went to communitiy college for a year)?
Based on follow up reports, Cam's cheating, if he indeed cheated, was never reported through the official channels at FL and he was not facing expulsion, as was reported by Thayer Evans. Either way, he was able to tranfer to JUCO and was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse before playing for AU, so I guess his academic status is fine.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:23 pm to
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Cam's cheating, if he indeed cheated, was never reported through the official channels at FL


You would never know this, reported or not. Schools CANNOT divulge information on students without a court order.

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Either way, he was able to tranfer to JUCO and was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse before playing for AU, so I guess his academic status is fine.



I'm not sure, but i don't think you need to be re-cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse, provided you have not expired the terms of the "clock" or are asking for a change in the time on that "clock"

Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:30 pm to
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You would never know this, reported or not. Schools CANNOT divulge information on students without a court order.
Schools and their representatives cannot, but others with first hand knowledge can. People who were on the committe that heard cases of pending expulsions at Florida have been quoted in published reports. They are no longer representative of the U of F and are free to talk about first hand information they have. I know how FERPA works. Either way it doesn't matter, he is academically eligible.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:36 pm to
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They are no longer representative of the U of F and are free to talk about first hand information they have.


Since Cam supposedly left before it occurred, and considering then that since it wouldn't have been first hand information if he NEVER went before a hearing/committee/whatever...how does their statements exonerate him?

If he never met with those individuals, it would not have been first hand knowledge. BTW FERPA does not grant a "first-hand" knowledge exception.

This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 3:39 pm
Posted by gabster121
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 3:45 pm to
Thanks for your reply. I hadn't heard anyone talk about this, and it seemed like the elephant in the room DESPITE Cam being found eligible to play THIS week.

IMHO deductive reasoning compels us to believe that Cecil got his 200K + from someone related to Auburn. Regardless of what evidence exists currently (available to us) in the form of writing/text, the testimony of those involved is still very damning. I think if Auburn wins the BCS championship game and Cam wins the Heisman, this will drag out for years before us, and ultimately both will be recinded.
Posted by CouldB4UVA
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Posted on 12/3/10 at 5:17 pm to
WDE24

I believe if you look at the Auburn response to the questions about Cam Newton when this went public, it was: "Cam Newton is an eligible athlete at Auburn University". It has been the Auburn position that anything that happened with MSU compromised his eligibilty at MSU, not at Auburn.

You raise the same questions that I did about the NCAA statement on Wednesday. Cam Newton's "amateur status" was violated resulting in a violation NCAA rules. Okay so what does it mean relative to the schools involved? MSU, Auburn, both, neither, what? It seems like it is purposefully "vague". If a violation occured that made him ineligible at MSU, then why was Auburn made to make ineligible and file for reinstatement? I heard a former NCAA investigator asking the same question on Finebaum.
The only thing I can come up with is, at some point, his eligibility had to be compromised at Auburn. In July (when Slive and SEC office contacted Auburn) or at some point later?

This is pure speculation on my part but I keep going back to Nov. 11 prior to the Georgia game when Cam, his parents, NCAA Investigators, and members of the Auburn Athletic and Compliance departments met. It was widely report after that meeting that Auburn was informed by the NCAA that they are playing Cam "at their own risk". I believe that Auburn may have accepted the "liabilty" of Cam's ineligibilty at that point. That meeting could very well been enough for the NCAA to say "this could be problem, you might want to sit him until it is sorted out".

This is when everything went quiet and everyone stopped talking. The standard response until the ruling this week remained "Cam Newton is an eligible athlete at Auburn University".

The people with NCAA and SEC remind me of what my Dad use to say about politicians: "They can kiss a baby, smoke a cigar, and talk out of both sides of their mouth all at the same time."







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