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Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:13 am to texashorn
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I'm kind of like this scrooster fellow, it really wouldn't be so funny if you Aggies hadn't flooded the Internet about how much money you'd be making, etc. etc. etc.
frick you, you longhorn arse wipe. That's not what I typed. What I typed was that they flooded everyone with claims that they were such a highly valued ratings commodity that it makes all of this kind of funny considering ... I typed nothing about the financial stability of their athletic department.
aTm fans claimed that, by adding to them to the conference, there would be a serious boost in TV revenues, and there has where the ESPN/SEC Network is concerned. Far far more than that shitty Longhorn network of yours will ever realize. But with regard to the CBS deal, the addition of aTm means nothing, which is what most expected from the get go, although some of us obviously thought there might be some concessions made to the SEC's advantage, which, in the end, there was.
Now take your cow-college blow-hole schlonghorn arse back to the UT-Austin board where you belong. None of this discussion has anything to do with you.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:15 am to texashorn
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How much have the A&M third-tier television rights been?
Starting 2014, the 3rd tier television rights directly associated to TAMU in the SEC will be:
Texas TV sets * ~$1+ for SEC Network = 3rd tier revenues SEC revs in the state of Texas.
WITHOUT TAMU in the SEC it would be:
Texas TV sets * $.05 = 3rd tier SEC revs in the state of Texas.
TAMU will make more in the SEC than it would have in the Big XII (which will have a very difficult if not impossible time creating a network as it would have to be sans Texas).
SEC will make more with TAMU in it.
Everyone wins. Unless you're a Big XII fan, of course. In which case, congrats on TCU. Impressive expansion so far.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:15 am to scrooster
I am not impressed, cockface.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:17 am to texashorn
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Some believe the combination of the current contract with CBS and the arrival of the SEC Network will produce in the neighborhood of $400 million in revenue annually — about $28.5 million per conference school.
Stated purposefully confusingly in a different manner in this instance -- ignoring tier 2 and bowl revenue to try to make the SEC number seem pedestrian.
In that case, if read specifically, it implies that the SECNetwork, itself, will be worth $335.8million/yr -- since CBS is only worth about $64.2mil with the renegotiation.
In which case, the article realistically believes we'll make well over $40mil/yr with tier 2 and bowl revenue factored in.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:19 am to scrooster
quote:Care to post some quotes to back that up? Or do you prefer strawmen, so that you can tar all A&M fans with the same brush (assuming you can actually find a few individuals to pin those claims on)?
Now, maybe if we had not been deluged for the past year and half, by many aTm fans, about how we were going to see a substantial increase in the CBS deal thanks to aTm being invited into the conference ... then perhaps it would not be so damn funny right now. Who knows, perhaps it will pay-off when the current contract expires. And I do agree that being released from the 3:30 EST time-slot obligation is a big deal. CBS is getting a bargain, and they'll eventually have to pony-up or risk losing the broadcast rights to the SEC to ABC, who wants the conference badly.
Nice of you to concede that CBS giving up exclusivity for the 2:30 slot counts for something.
If you look at the big picture, the fact is that the deal that the SEC negotiated in 2008 turned out not to be very good after all. CBS was (and still is) getting a relative bargain, and ESPN owned every other football game save and except the one PPV game reserved to each school. The conference had no inventory to sell but that one PPV game retained by each school.
Enter A&M and Missouri.
Now, CBS still has a pretty good deal as far as cash outlays, but they no longer have exclusivity (a huge deal for making the SEC Network attractive). This is negotiating 101--your contracting partner can't come up with more cash, so you accept other consideration.
ESPN has sold back its inventory to the SEC, and will operate (and ensure distribution of) a cable network where the SEC will receive 50% of the profit. ESPN already had a good deal with the SEC, but sees the value in partnering on a cable network, and was willing to give back inventory to do it. The partnership between the two is stronger than ever, and should lead to a very strong network.
Would this have happened without A&M and Missouri--not on these terms. Without Missouri and Texas in the cable footprint, the SEC Network would be a much less attractive proposition.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:25 am to texashorn
texashorn,
You don't read well do you? CBS is paying the same amount, that is true, but they GAVE UP THEIR EXCLUSIVITY TO THE 2:30 TIME SLOT! Do you not grasp how HUGE that is? The 2:30 time slot is the premium slot. Was in the Big 12 with ABC and was in the SEC with CBS. Being able to be the only SEC game on TV is worth at least 50% of the value of the slot because you get FAR more carry over viewers. If there is also a 2:30 game on ESPN and the SEC Network at the same time as the CBS game it isn't worth nearly as much and yet they are paying THE SAME.
The value went to ESPN and the SEC Network. The initial numbers are conservative, as they should be, but they are set up to explode as the Network gets picked up. That is going to happen because ESPN owns almost all the content now and will put as many as 3 games a weekend on the SEC Network, then the money will flow like a river.
A&M also just posted the 6th largest amount of revenue in the country last year with almost NO TV money because of the Big 12 buyout and the fact the SEC check doesn't arrive until June 1. To say A&M is in financial trouble is either naive or moronic.
You don't read well do you? CBS is paying the same amount, that is true, but they GAVE UP THEIR EXCLUSIVITY TO THE 2:30 TIME SLOT! Do you not grasp how HUGE that is? The 2:30 time slot is the premium slot. Was in the Big 12 with ABC and was in the SEC with CBS. Being able to be the only SEC game on TV is worth at least 50% of the value of the slot because you get FAR more carry over viewers. If there is also a 2:30 game on ESPN and the SEC Network at the same time as the CBS game it isn't worth nearly as much and yet they are paying THE SAME.
The value went to ESPN and the SEC Network. The initial numbers are conservative, as they should be, but they are set up to explode as the Network gets picked up. That is going to happen because ESPN owns almost all the content now and will put as many as 3 games a weekend on the SEC Network, then the money will flow like a river.
A&M also just posted the 6th largest amount of revenue in the country last year with almost NO TV money because of the Big 12 buyout and the fact the SEC check doesn't arrive until June 1. To say A&M is in financial trouble is either naive or moronic.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:27 am to texashorn
You're getting run-ruled in a thread about your daddy. Quit while you're behind.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:33 am to engie
Sounds to me like it's tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3. Keep spinning.
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Slive would not disclose financial figures, but sports business journalists previously said that such a contract, along with the league’s CBS contract, could provide each league school as much as $28.5 million annually alone in just TV revenue.
The contract calls for ESPN and its various platforms to annually televise approximately 1,000 live events per year, including 450 on the network and 550 distributed digitally. Scheduled annually on the ESPN networks are 45 SEC football games, more than 100 men’s basketball games, 60 women’s basketball games and other events from all of the SEC sports.
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Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:37 am to texashorn
Are you serious? 
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:37 am to texashorn
What exactly are you arguing? Let's take your - in my opinion - conservative dollar figure of $28.5mm per team.
The SEC was around $15mm per team. So that's a jump.
Also, how does that compare to Big XII payout per team? $20mm right?
Enjoy the Big XII or whatever it is now...
SEC v Big XII
The SEC was around $15mm per team. So that's a jump.
Also, how does that compare to Big XII payout per team? $20mm right?
Enjoy the Big XII or whatever it is now...
SEC v Big XII
This post was edited on 5/15/13 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:40 am to texashorn
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Keep spinning.
Spinning is linking outdated articles or angling to portray revenue and profit as something other than, well, revenue and profit.
All you've done is spin--and you've done it poorly. I don't know why you come here asking the SEC to run roughshod over you and your shitty, forceless arguments.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:47 am to DWag215
You don't understand. What matters is what financial shape A&M was in several years ago when we had a different coach, AD, and President, and were a mediocre Big 12 team. Sip fans have to hold on to that memory more tightly than arguing how VY was the greatest college QB of all time. It's a hell of a lot better than the nightmare that is their current lot in life.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 10:51 am to texashorn
Your gak-receiving bunghole has caused you to take an article COMPLETELY THE frick out of context. Get that dude's member out of your pie hole and read it again.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 11:07 am to texashorn
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Slive would not disclose financial figures, but sports business journalists previously said that such a contract, along with the league’s CBS contract, could provide each league school as much as $28.5 million annually alone in just TV revenue.
Jesus at your spin.
That is not what the initial article said. Nor is it what your second posting on the matter said. Even these other articles can't understand what the initial article said -- so it's no surprise that your arse can't.
So, according to texashorn version #4, $28.5 in tv revenue before bowl revenue is factored -- which will certainly be $100 mil plus.
Do you honestly believe that we will be making under $30mil/school in 2014? Because if you do -- everyone here will know it best to ignore your dumb arse from now on.
But, by all means -- let the tears flow.
This post was edited on 5/15/13 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/15/13 at 11:14 am to engie
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texashorn
So tell me again how adding Houston to the Big 12 will increase your conference profile?
Posted on 5/15/13 at 11:32 am to Dr RC
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When that deal is up CBS is going to have to pay out the arse to keep the game of the week or risk it going to ABC/ESPN.
ok, all i have to do is to stay alive for 12 more years. it's gonna be close (according to the mortality figures).
Posted on 5/17/13 at 12:57 pm to texashorn
Let's recap:
1. The SEC/CBS contract had a clause that a change in membership (for better or worse)would allow for changes in the deal
2. I suspect that the remedy for losing/gaining teams would be an arbitration, if a period of negotiation failed
3. The renegotiation now has CBS paying the 12 team price for 14 teams - Bama v. Johnny football 2013 is like a freebie for them - win for CBS
4. CBS has given up the stranglehold on 1pm-5pm EST kickoffs, he reason why there are SEC games on from 6-10pm up against PAC12 games - win for the SEC
5. #4 is why the $200 million+ SEC Channel is financially viable (3 games a week from noon to 9pm for 2014-2030s). Imagine a SECN programing lineup of 1am pregame, 12pm game, 3-6 a replay of womens volleyball, then a late game. Instead it wlll be wall to wall FB with pre-game, post game coverage and an all-day advertising bonanza - big win for the SEC
This sounds like a good deal all around
1. The SEC/CBS contract had a clause that a change in membership (for better or worse)would allow for changes in the deal
2. I suspect that the remedy for losing/gaining teams would be an arbitration, if a period of negotiation failed
3. The renegotiation now has CBS paying the 12 team price for 14 teams - Bama v. Johnny football 2013 is like a freebie for them - win for CBS
4. CBS has given up the stranglehold on 1pm-5pm EST kickoffs, he reason why there are SEC games on from 6-10pm up against PAC12 games - win for the SEC
5. #4 is why the $200 million+ SEC Channel is financially viable (3 games a week from noon to 9pm for 2014-2030s). Imagine a SECN programing lineup of 1am pregame, 12pm game, 3-6 a replay of womens volleyball, then a late game. Instead it wlll be wall to wall FB with pre-game, post game coverage and an all-day advertising bonanza - big win for the SEC
This sounds like a good deal all around
This post was edited on 5/17/13 at 1:02 pm
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