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Posted on 7/15/14 at 1:18 pm to slayerxing
Agree. 3 yrs of shite recruiting on O.
Agree last 2 have been better. Produced our starting RB and 2 starters at WR.
Agree last 2 have been better. Produced our starting RB and 2 starters at WR.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 1:31 pm to slayerxing
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The defensive classes have been excellent, and easily as good as LSU and Alabama, and that has shown on the field.
Would Bama or LSU give-up 400 on the ground to Ga Southern?
So you're saying what anyways? Muschamp can recruit but he can't coach? I'm confused. And I gotta tell ya. I like the guy a lot. Would love to hammer a couple of cases of Guinness with him and then head to a taterhead biker bar to frick with the sheephumpers .... but he obviously has some things to learn about building team chemistry and getting the proper mix of blue chippers and blue collar guys giving their all for him on the field.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 1:53 pm to scrooster
To be fair, gsu puts up crazy numbers on the ground against everyone, they still run the same system paul johnson installed there.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:00 pm to slayerxing
Boom sucks! I bet Florida wishes he had talent. This will be Boom's last season at Florida.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:21 pm to roadGator
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We talkin' 'bout pressers. Pressers. NOt a game. Pressers.
This frickin killed me.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:22 pm to Shooter
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Boom sucks! I bet Florida wishes he had talent. This will be Boom's last season at Florida.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:23 pm to scrooster
Georgia Southern put up 302 yards rushing on Alabama's best ever 2011 defense and scored 21 points, only 5 less than they did against Florida last year, and that Alabama team is one of the better teams of all time.
Florida 2013, on the other hand, was not a very good team, that was literally DECIMATED with injuries.
Should I say Steve Spurrier isn't a good coach because of one game last season where he blew the SEC because he lost to a 5-7 Tennessee team (A team that Muschamp beat without his starting QB by 3 scores? He has plenty of head scratching losses in his career. One loss doesn't mean anything, and he NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER coached a team, decimated by injuries, against the type of schedule Muschamp had last year or in 2012.
Muschamp beat 4 top 15 teams in 2012. Only one other team in recent history has done that: 2011 LSU.
In 2013, Muschamp's rag tag injured bunch played against 5 teams that won 9 or more games and 3 teams that finished in the top 5 and won 11 or more games.
Spurrier never did it.
Saban has never done it.
So Muschamp is an up and coming coach that was dealt a SHITTY hand last year, some of it was because of decisions he had made previously, but UF would have definitely beaten USCe, UGA, Georgia Southern, and probably Miami last year had they been fully healthy, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion because they would have been 8-4. UF ALMOST BEAT USC WITH THEIR THIRD STRING QB ON THE ROAD!!!!
I think he has gotten progressively better as a all around recruiter, and if he can just find the right offensive staff, he will be in a position to terrorize this league for years.
His biggest issue has been finding an offensive staff.
Florida 2013, on the other hand, was not a very good team, that was literally DECIMATED with injuries.
Should I say Steve Spurrier isn't a good coach because of one game last season where he blew the SEC because he lost to a 5-7 Tennessee team (A team that Muschamp beat without his starting QB by 3 scores? He has plenty of head scratching losses in his career. One loss doesn't mean anything, and he NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER coached a team, decimated by injuries, against the type of schedule Muschamp had last year or in 2012.
Muschamp beat 4 top 15 teams in 2012. Only one other team in recent history has done that: 2011 LSU.
In 2013, Muschamp's rag tag injured bunch played against 5 teams that won 9 or more games and 3 teams that finished in the top 5 and won 11 or more games.
Spurrier never did it.
Saban has never done it.
So Muschamp is an up and coming coach that was dealt a SHITTY hand last year, some of it was because of decisions he had made previously, but UF would have definitely beaten USCe, UGA, Georgia Southern, and probably Miami last year had they been fully healthy, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion because they would have been 8-4. UF ALMOST BEAT USC WITH THEIR THIRD STRING QB ON THE ROAD!!!!
I think he has gotten progressively better as a all around recruiter, and if he can just find the right offensive staff, he will be in a position to terrorize this league for years.
His biggest issue has been finding an offensive staff.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:25 pm to roadGator
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2010 - 1st in recruiting
2011 - 12th in recruiting
2012 - 4th in recruiting
2013 - 3rd in recruiting
2014 - 9th in recruting
247 numbers
That's all with a coach that quit, didn't quit, quit again, a first year coach picking up the pieces and 4-8
Good is a good term for our recruiting I suppose. Nothing great about it.
To be honest, those numbers are good but don't exactly make me think Muschamp is anything better than a good recruiter-- his classes have been slightly worse and far more unbalanced than the man who preceded him.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:27 pm to socraticsilence
The 2013 and 2014 recruiting classes were very balanced. The 2010 class was a disaster on offense, and the 2011 class was a lost transition class.
The only info that says Muschamp is an unbalanced recruiter is his first full class as a head coach, 2012, where he lost his OC. The others have all been fine and 2015 is shaping up nicely.
The only info that says Muschamp is an unbalanced recruiter is his first full class as a head coach, 2012, where he lost his OC. The others have all been fine and 2015 is shaping up nicely.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:30 pm to slayerxing
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2015 is shaping up nicely.
I am hoping he figures out this year, because I don't want this class to dissolve because of a firing.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:30 pm to olemc999
Yeah same here. This class is pivotal.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:31 pm to slayerxing
That is pretty stupid. You can have a secondary guy that is 6'4 , runs a 4.3, a 44 inch vertical but if he is playing zone and doesn't realize a guy is running behind him, who gives a shite how good of an athlete he is.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:34 pm to THDAY
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if he is playing zone and doesn't realize a guy is running behind him, who gives a shite how good of an athlete he is.
Great athletes use their speed to cover up and correct there mistakes. Reggie Nelson and Matt Elam used to do it all the time. The one time the experienced guy has a brain fart, he is gonna get burned cause of the lack of talent.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:36 pm to scrooster
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Muschamp: "I'll take talent over experience every time."
So he's conceded that GSU was more talented?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:42 pm to Sid E Walker
He pretty much blamed the GSU loss squarely on the offense.
He basically said an option team is going to get some points no matter who they play (see Alabama 2011 and 2012 UGA). They have over 300 yards rushing in both games.
The difference was, those teams both scored over 40 against GSU.
He basically said the offense failed to score points, it put the defense in bad situations, and it cost them the game. He threw his offensive staff under the bus HARD after that game.
Also, when asked about the talent discrepancy, he said this:
» On the option negating talent: “That’s what the option does – takes talent out of the game. You don’t have to block Dante Fowler now; you option off Dante Fowler so you don’t have to account him anymore in blocking. That’s why the service academies run it. That’s why they run it. That’s why a lot of these schools run it because it takes talent out of the equation. … Talent is negated in that situation. It doesn’t really matter because you don’t’ have to block a lot of the guys. … When you play teams like that, you don’t have to block certain guys, you know? That’s just what that offense does to you. It’s all about responsibility, assignment, and then you got to defeat a block in some situations. … That’s why those teams run that. That’s what it is.”
He basically said an option team is going to get some points no matter who they play (see Alabama 2011 and 2012 UGA). They have over 300 yards rushing in both games.
The difference was, those teams both scored over 40 against GSU.
He basically said the offense failed to score points, it put the defense in bad situations, and it cost them the game. He threw his offensive staff under the bus HARD after that game.
Also, when asked about the talent discrepancy, he said this:
» On the option negating talent: “That’s what the option does – takes talent out of the game. You don’t have to block Dante Fowler now; you option off Dante Fowler so you don’t have to account him anymore in blocking. That’s why the service academies run it. That’s why they run it. That’s why a lot of these schools run it because it takes talent out of the equation. … Talent is negated in that situation. It doesn’t really matter because you don’t’ have to block a lot of the guys. … When you play teams like that, you don’t have to block certain guys, you know? That’s just what that offense does to you. It’s all about responsibility, assignment, and then you got to defeat a block in some situations. … That’s why those teams run that. That’s what it is.”
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:46 pm to slayerxing
Ive always said that if an elite program that could keep getting 4 and 5 star recruits that were unselfish football players, and they ran the triple option they would win a shitload of games. Hell Auburn basically ran triple option out of shotgun last year.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:49 pm to olemc999
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2015 is shaping up nicely.
I am hoping he figures out this year, because I don't want this class to dissolve because of a firing.
2015 could be amazing, admittedly most of the big time leans are defensive- but the elite OL possibilities are just awesome.
I do admit I have absolutely no idea where George Campbell would get put-- he's ideal WR size but Muschamp seems to like to try athletes out on defense first (J.C. Jackson, Leon Orr, etc) and I've heard people express concerns about his hands.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:50 pm to olemc999
There is a reason that the Auburn offense works. It's basically an option game, with spread principles.
There are tons of good articles you can read online about it.
You have to have a good mind as an offensive coach to install and coach it well though. You also need a good athlete at QB to be the most successful.
It's not an accident that coaches like Meyer and now Malzahn have had success with similar offenses. They are hard to defend.
The only reason they don't run it at the NFL level is because the fast QB's necessary can get destroyed by huge ultra fast and strong defensive players and injury becomes an issue, although look at San Francisco, they've been pretty good.
There are tons of good articles you can read online about it.
You have to have a good mind as an offensive coach to install and coach it well though. You also need a good athlete at QB to be the most successful.
It's not an accident that coaches like Meyer and now Malzahn have had success with similar offenses. They are hard to defend.
The only reason they don't run it at the NFL level is because the fast QB's necessary can get destroyed by huge ultra fast and strong defensive players and injury becomes an issue, although look at San Francisco, they've been pretty good.
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