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re: Mullen v. Freeze v. Jones
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:58 pm to texag7
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:58 pm to texag7
Mullen - My pick, as he's done a great job for MSU and would only win bigger elsewhere.
Freeze - Great recruiter, but still hasn't proven to be much of a SEC coach, imo.
Jones - See above^
If you're the AD of Florida, which of these do you choose? Posing the question that way, I bet a lot more would pick Mullen.
Freeze - Great recruiter, but still hasn't proven to be much of a SEC coach, imo.
Jones - See above^
If you're the AD of Florida, which of these do you choose? Posing the question that way, I bet a lot more would pick Mullen.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 12:03 am to redeye
Except, the AD of Florida had that option and he hates Mullen.
He knew mullen from the Meyer days.
And the AD tried to get freeze...
He knew mullen from the Meyer days.
And the AD tried to get freeze...
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 6/24/15 at 12:08 am to redeye
Agree on Jones. Judgement starts this year for real. Jones fricked up the 2013 Vandy game and last years coat hanger abortion of a game against Florida. Other than that every game he lost the previous two years we were simply undermanned. Still have no idea how we beat a South Carolina team that ended the season #4 in 2013. The being "undermanned" thing though expires this year. We have the talent and schedule(while still not a cake walk) to win at least 8. Will we? Maybe not but the general consensus is expecting 8 wins this year and hopefully the train will be fully back on the tracks by 2016. The fact we are in the recently down East makes the 8 win benchmark a reasonable expectation.
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 12:13 am
Posted on 6/24/15 at 12:14 am to redeye
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Freeze - Great recruiter, but still hasn't proven to be much of a SEC coach, imo.
He has yet to win a division crown but in his three years at Ole Miss, he's defeated LSU, Alabama, State (twice), Arkansas (twice), A&M and Auburn. In addition to that, he increased our win total from 2 in Nutt's last year to 7 in his first year, then 8, then 9.
Our program was a complete shithole when he took over. Hardly a lick of talent, awful attitudes, drug problems, thug problems, and only a handful or two of scholarship players attending class. What he's done in three years is pretty impressive considering we had the top two players in the country (from Texas and New Jersey no less) visit in the last few weeks and it is ho-hum.
I thought Mullen had reached his ceiling as a coach but then last year happened and it's hard not to be impressed with that. Jones has done wonders for the culture at UT and they appear to be trending the right direction. This year will be telling for what kind of coach he is.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 12:26 am to HailFreezusOver
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Except, the AD of Florida had that option and he hates Mullen.
He knew mullen from the Meyer days.
And the AD tried to get freeze...
So what you're saying is that Foley didn't offer Mullen because he hates him? Not because he thought Freeze was better?
I do think both Freeze and Jones have proven themselves as great coaches elsewhere, but the SEC is a different animal. I'd put Bielema here as well, although he's the only one of the three who's already had big success at a P5 school.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 1:33 am to HailFreezusOver
I thought Foley made the statement that he never talked to Freeze..
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:56 am to Reservoir dawg
Foley never even considered Freeze. That was Stephen Godfrey that started that rumor so he could get his buddy Freeze a raise.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:08 am to Reservoir dawg
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thought Foley made the statement that he never talked to Freeze..
They always make that statement whether it is true or not. Im not even saying he did, just that its the norm to deny all the way until the ink is dry.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:14 am to MaroonNation
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Foley never even considered Freeze.
Possibly, you nor I will ever know for sure.
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That was Stephen Godfrey that started that rumor so he could get his buddy Freeze a raise.
Don't think Godfrey would have anything to do with it. Not even sure how well he would know Freeze since Freeze was just an assistant when Godfrey was still in school. How the rumor started per the interwebs
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:01 am to Emanonion
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For 5 years, Im going Freeze ore Jones, leaning Freeze cause I have seen more from him. Took Mullen 6 years to have a good team with his own players, and most are expecting a decline this year.
Mullen finished #15 in the country in his 2nd year (better than Freeze's final ranking last year). If you're going to qualify "with his own players" then Freeze wouldn't really start until 2015 or 2016. He still had Nutt recruits in 2014.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:09 am to texag7
Freeze. 2-1 against Muffin, 1-0 against Jones.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:15 am to BallstotheWesleyWall
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by BallstotheWesleyWall
It's because she is an understanding woman that still supports him despite being a scientologist.
Who is a scientilogist? That program will mesh into paranoia and implode.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:30 am to MedDawg
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Mullen finished #15 in the country in his 2nd year (better than Freeze's final ranking last year). If you're going to qualify "with his own players" then Freeze wouldn't really start until 2015 or 2016. He still had Nutt recruits in 2014.
Freeze recruited the QB, all 4 RBs, 3 of the 5 starting OL, the main backup at OL (Conyers), 4 of the 5 top WRs, and TE from this team. Also the entire DL (minus C.J. Johnson), Husky, FS, and 1 CB.
Nutt had a pretty good defensive class his last recruiting class getting Denzel Nkemdiche, Senquez Golson, Cody Prewitt, C.J. Johnson, Serderius Bryant, Keith Lewis. He also brought in the other 2 OL in Justin Bell and Aaron Morris.
Without a doubt those guys helped a lot, but Freeze recruited the majority of this team.
I stick with my first answer and reasoning.
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For 5 years, Im going Freeze or Jones, leaning Freeze cause I have seen more from him. Took Mullen 6 years to have a good team with his own players, and most are expecting a decline this year.
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 9:33 am
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:31 am to Emanonion
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Freeze recruited the QB, all 4 RBs, 3 of the 5 starting OL, the main backup at OL (Conyers), 4 of the 5 top WRs, and TE from this team. Also the entire DL (minus C.J. Johnson), Husky, FS, and 1 CB.
Nutt had a pretty good defensive class his last recruiting class getting Denzel Nkemdiche, Senquez Golson, Cody Prewitt, C.J. Johnson, Serderius Bryant, Keith Lewis. He also brought in the other 2 OL in Justin Bell and Aaron Morris.
Without a doubt those guys helped a lot, but Freeze recruited the majority of this team.
That's fair. But even though Mullen was only in his 2nd year, we could say the same. Mullen didn't recruit Chris Relf, but he certainly developed him, plus our other QB who played was a four-star signed by Mullen (and who started the next 3 years and set MSU passing records). Both had QB ratings over 140 in 2010.
Mullen also recruited MSU 2010's top 2 RB's, 6 of the top 7 in receiving yards, the kicker, 4 of State's top 5 in interceptions, and 12 of State's top 14 in tackles.
So a significant portion of MSU's 2010 #15 ranked team and all of MSU's 2014 #11 ranked team was signed by Mullen.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:39 am to MedDawg
The one year turnaround that Freeze performed is shocking, especially when you consider that he did it with only 2 players that were drafted and a rookie Bo Wallace
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:41 am to MedDawg
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Mullen didn't recruit Chris Relf, but he certainly developed him
Good thing you realize what development is since that's what Freeze did for all those players listed. The only ones that haven't gotten a lot better over these last 3 years are the OL, Bell and Morris.
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(and who started the next 3 years and set MSU passing records). Both had QB ratings over 140 in 2010.
Good thing you posted this part since it literally had nothing to do with the post you were responding to. I know you just needed something good to talk about, but try to stay with the same conversation.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:43 am to Quicksilver
I wouldn't argue against Mullen though. He took over a shite situation and got to 9-4 in 2 years.
Jones is recruiting well but two years to get barely bowl eligible when he inherited the best situation of the 3 puts him well behind the other 2.
Jones is recruiting well but two years to get barely bowl eligible when he inherited the best situation of the 3 puts him well behind the other 2.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:45 am to texag7
Freeze hands down. I'm not even sold on Freeze but I just don't see Mullen or Jones ever having a national championship caliber team.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:18 am to Emanonion
It's relevant. The 2nd QB had a quarter of 2010 MSU's passing yards and passing TD's as a redshirt freshman.
The rest is relevant to the OP--Is Mullen a good coach? Mullen has finished with two Top 15 teams in the past 5 years. His 2014 offense was the 4th best SEC offense in history by yards/game.
I'm not saying Mullen is better than Freeze. Their results compare fairly well.
And really, it's still kind of early to tell for either. This is Mullen's first head coaching job EVER.
Many elite coaches started out their careers worse than Mullen and Freeze have, and some bad coaches started out better.
The rest is relevant to the OP--Is Mullen a good coach? Mullen has finished with two Top 15 teams in the past 5 years. His 2014 offense was the 4th best SEC offense in history by yards/game.
I'm not saying Mullen is better than Freeze. Their results compare fairly well.
And really, it's still kind of early to tell for either. This is Mullen's first head coaching job EVER.
Many elite coaches started out their careers worse than Mullen and Freeze have, and some bad coaches started out better.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:24 am to texag7
I would take butch slightly over freeze . I think they both can recruit a lot better then Mullen. Atleast if they don't work out you have good talent .
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