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Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:58 am to 3down10
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False, the only time they didn't have such a class was between coaching changes. Which was somewhat frequent because they replaced coaches every 3 years.
Meanwhile, in the real world, Notre Dame has only had one coach for 3 years or less since the 1960's.
Why do you keep lying?
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The only one making dumb arguments is you bragging about some filtered stat that magically removed like half his losses in the past 2 years.
Winning percentage is a "filtered stat?"
He has the second highest winning percentage in the conference, not sure how that "removes" losses.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:06 am to TrueLefty
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He had blown a game or two he shouldn't have when the team is favored. This is the same Brian Kelly who did the same thing at Notre Dame.
Literally every coach does this.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:11 am to TrueLefty
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He had blown a game or two he shouldn't have when the team is favored. This is the same Brian Kelly who did the same thing at Notre Dame.
This is always the dumbest argument. Literally every coach out there loses as a favorite, there is not a single coach out there that hasnt lost games as a favorite. Kirby Smart loses games as a favorite. Nick Saban lost games as a favorite.
People try and pull out the dumbest irrelevant stats when trying to 'prove' Kelly cant coach. The guy went to the playoffs and a NCG with Notre Dame and won a ton of games there. I think he has a slight idea he knows what he's doing. He's won at multiple places. He admittedly eff'd up his defensive staff hires when he got here, he's now fixed that. He understands how to win football games. I guess he sucks because he lost a few games against ranked teams here taking over a dumpster fire of a program that had gone like .500 over 2 seasons prior to him getting here. Beating 2 Top 10 teams and getting to the SECCG in year 1 clearly wasn't a good coaching job
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:17 am to thunderbird1100
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He admittedly eff'd up his defensive staff hires when he got here, he's now fixed that.
Dude, it's fixed when it's fixed. He's not in South Bend any longer and frankly can't hide his deficiencies in that ACC schedule.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:19 am to Choot em Tiger
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Tennessee should be 1st or 2nd in conference annually now!
Fat chance of that happening.
Lets visit the pre-season rankings again...
SEC teams and their rankings:
1 Georgia
4. Texas
6. Alabama
8. Ole Miss
10. LSU
11. Mizzou
13. Texas A & M
14. Oklahoma
15. Tennessee
So Tennessee isn't even ranked in the top half of the conference.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:23 am to bamameister
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Dude, it's fixed when it's fixed. He's not in South Bend any longer and frankly can't hide his deficiencies in that ACC schedule.
It's fixed. I dont know what else to tell you if you dont think things wont be better defensively at all with massive staff upgrades. When he got here he hired a high school coach to coach our corners. He hired a DC the players absolutely hated. We didnt even have a DL coach on the team all last season
When you go from what we did to guys like Baker, Bo Davis, Raymond, etc..,it's no contest. There's nowhere to go BUT up really. I mean To go from literally NO DL coach to Bo Davis? We're talking about a lot of coaches who have had some real success here, not taking chances on say a high school coach. Or hiring a coach who literally never actually coaches a game here (DL coach last season).
I'm not sitting here saying our defense will be Top 10 in the country year 1. But it will be substantially improved compared to last season.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:30 am to thunderbird1100
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It's fixed.
Let me help you. It's "fixed" when SEC teams stop dragging your sorry-azz defensive carcass up and down the field at the speed of light. And not til then.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:39 am to SidewalkTiger
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Meanwhile, in the real world, Notre Dame has only had one coach for 3 years or less since the 1960's.
Why do you keep lying?
The only one being dishonest is you trying to bring up the 1960's as if it's relevant and as if the "one" coach wasn't among the group leading up to BK.
4 coaches in the time period of 2001-2010, so 3 coaching changes in a 10 year period, and that's not even counting the Leary scandal.
But sure, the coach in 1960 is really relevant to things leading up to BK, not the 10 years prior to his arrival. Sleazy as always.
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Winning percentage is a "filtered stat?"
He has the second highest winning percentage in the conference, not sure how that "removes" losses.
Fitlers:
Conference only
Active Coaches only
How dumb is it?
If Texas, Alabama and Oklahoma all win their first conference game next year, or win a decent amount early in the season, BK would immediately drop to #5 on the list.
Because it's a stupid stat that doesn't say much of anything about how good a coach is.
You're just looking for ways to gloss over the fact he has 7 losses in 2 years, and the only thing you can do at this point is spam that stupid stat.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:43 am to thunderbird1100
Multiple SEC squads would be annual playoff teams with ND's typical fluff schedule.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:49 am to 3down10
So you're counting an interim bowl game coach and a guy who never coached a game as actual Notre Dame head coaches?
Both Venables and Sarkisian would still fall below Kelly.
But I wouldn't apply the stat to only one game, at minimum a coach needs a year to have a sample size large enough.
Not really, 7 losses in 2 seasons isn't that bad considering they'd went .500 the two seasons prior.
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Fitlers:
Conference only
Active Coaches only
How dumb is it?
If Texas, Alabama and Oklahoma all win their first conference game next year, or win a decent amount early in the season, BK would immediately drop to #5 on the list.
Because it's a stupid stat that doesn't say much of anything about how good a coach is.
Both Venables and Sarkisian would still fall below Kelly.
But I wouldn't apply the stat to only one game, at minimum a coach needs a year to have a sample size large enough.
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You're just looking for ways to gloss over the fact he has 7 losses in 2 years, and the only thing you can do at this point is spam that stupid stat.
Not really, 7 losses in 2 seasons isn't that bad considering they'd went .500 the two seasons prior.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:52 am to 3down10
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The only one being dishonest is you trying to bring up the 1960's as if it's relevant and as if the "one" coach wasn't among the group leading up to BK.
4 coaches in the time period of 2001-2010, so 3 coaching changes in a 10 year period, and that's not even counting the Leary scandal.
But sure, the coach in 1960 is really relevant to things leading up to BK, not the 10 years prior to his arrival. Sleazy as always
Okay, let's try this another way as you're still getting confused.
Notre Dame has not stacked elite classes in a LONG TIME!
When was the last time they had 3 consecutive elite recruiting classes?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:06 am to SidewalkTiger
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So you're counting an interim bowl game coach and a guy who never coached a game as actual Notre Dame head coaches?
No, I did not.
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Both Venables and Sarkisian would still fall below Kelly.
But I wouldn't apply the stat to only one game, at minimum a coach needs a year to have a sample size large enough.
Another filter to get the results you want.
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Not really, 7 losses in 2 seasons isn't that bad considering they'd went .500 the two seasons prior.
They went .500 because Coach O was more worried about getting his dick wet than coaching, not because LSU was lacking on talent.
2020: #4
2021: #5
2022: #12
2023: #5
He doesn't have a lack of talent at LSU. If he can't win the games, it's on him. It's not like he was hired at Florida or somewhere that has been a mess lately.
Same deal with DeBoer. If he doesn't win games, it's not because he lacked talent, it's on him.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:09 am to SidewalkTiger
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Okay, let's try this another way as you're still getting confused.
Notre Dame has not stacked elite classes in a LONG TIME!
When was the last time they had 3 consecutive elite recruiting classes?
2006 - #4
2007 - #5
2008 - #4
Brian Kelly hired in 2010, they haven't had it since.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:13 am to DirtyCreekBottoms
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Multiple SEC squads would be annual playoff teams with ND's typical fluff schedule.
In 2018 to get to playoff they beat 4 ranked teams, including 3 in Top 15, 1 of those Top 10.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:16 am to thunderbird1100
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In 2018 to get to playoff they beat 4 ranked teams, including 3 in Top 15, 1 of those Top 10.
#14 Michigan and #15 Syracuse were the only 2 ranked teams they beat.
Stanford went 9-4 and did not finish the season ranked
VT went 6-7 and did not finish ranked
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:17 am to 3down10
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2006 - #4
2007 - #5
2008 - #4
Brian Kelly hired in 2010, they haven't had it since.
Which service is this?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:18 am to 3down10
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They went .500 because Coach O was more worried about getting his dick wet than coaching, not because LSU was lacking on talent.
2020: #4
2021: #5
2022: #12
Do you not see the huge dropoff there in 2022? We had a ton of talent leave after O left, and frankly a lot of them either werent playing or loafing around too when he was here.
To go from #4/#5 roster to #12 is a massive dropoff. Kelly had to rebuild the team in year 1, and by year 2 things were getting better, but it was a ton of mercenaries that had to get it done there which will have very mixed results. We still were quite a bit below the scholarship cap this past season. We'll finally be at 85 this upcoming season after being WAY below it in 2021 and still below it in 2022.
Edit - thought you were citing team talent rankings, not recruiting classes. My point above still remains. There was a huge amount of dropoff from O to Kelly in year 1 in terms of talent and simply roster depth. It's taken 3 years just to get a full roster again. When Kelly got here we had 39 players on scholarship.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:20 am to 3down10
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#14 Michigan and #15 Syracuse were the only 2 ranked teams they beat.
Using end of season rankings, which again nobody ever uses when citing Kelly's record against Top 25 teams or Top 10 teams.
Always moving the goalposts. Just saying.
And I'm not picking on you for using end of season rankings, but again what everybody always talks about is playing at the time when it comes to citing Kelly's records in the past, which was 4 in 2018. Then there's always the argument Stanford WOULD have ended the season ranked had ND not beat them, etc. I understand using either method to a degree, but just being consistent on what people actually cite when it comes to his past.
But point is their schedule usually isnt nearly as bad as people make it out to be. No it isnt an SEC slate with 2-3 Top 10 teams every year, but they also avoid playing the creampuffs the SEC plays as well. They dont play rent-a-wins quite like the SEC does OOC, but yes they do avoid playing more top level teams than an SEC team would.
But to any end point here, Kelly came into the SEC in year 1 with a severely gimped LSU team and won the SEC West getting to Atlanta. So kind of a moot point anyways.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:25 am to thunderbird1100
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Do you not see the huge dropoff there in 2022? We had a ton of talent leave after O left, and frankly a lot of them either werent playing or loafing around too when he was here.
To go from #4/#5 roster to #12 is a massive dropoff. Kelly had to rebuild the team in year 1, and by year 2 things were getting better, but it was a ton of mercenaries that had to get it done there which will have very mixed results. We still were quite a bit below the scholarship cap this past season. We'll finally be at 85 this upcoming season after being WAY below it in 2021 and still below it in 2022.
Tons of talent leaves every year, that's college football. The transfer portal works both ways.
If you aren't using all your scholarships, that's just Brian Kelly being a bad coach. You grab some 3 stars who are "projects" if nothing else.
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