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re: More Violence in the South: Explains Our Intense Fandom?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:18 am to roadGator
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:18 am to roadGator
In the South, we say "excuse me" to mean "I'm sorry I'm being a bother, but can you please move so I can get through?"
In the North, they say "excuse me" to mean "Get out of my way you lazy pathetic sack of shite!!!!"
In the South, we say "yes, sir/m'am" as a show of respect.
The the South, they say "yes sir/m'am" as a sarcastic term of derision to say "Whatever you say you old, dirt bag piece of shite! I'll stab you in your sleep!!!"
In the South, "can I have that, please?" means "can you please do me the favor of inconveniencing yourself to help me?"
In the North, it means "Hand me that now! I have no patience to wait on you, you inconsiderate arse-hole!"
If you hold a door open for a girl in the South, she will assume you are trying to do something nice for her.
If you hold a door open for a girl in the North, she will think that you don't think she's capable of opening her own door. "Wow, look at the BIG STRONG MAN providing for his POOR WEAK GIRL! I CAN DO IT MYSELF! I DON'T NEED YOU OR ANY OTHER MAN! YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME?! YOUR NOT! YOUR GAAAAAAHBAGE! YOU HEAR ME? GAAAHBAGE!"
In the North, they say "excuse me" to mean "Get out of my way you lazy pathetic sack of shite!!!!"
In the South, we say "yes, sir/m'am" as a show of respect.
The the South, they say "yes sir/m'am" as a sarcastic term of derision to say "Whatever you say you old, dirt bag piece of shite! I'll stab you in your sleep!!!"
In the South, "can I have that, please?" means "can you please do me the favor of inconveniencing yourself to help me?"
In the North, it means "Hand me that now! I have no patience to wait on you, you inconsiderate arse-hole!"
If you hold a door open for a girl in the South, she will assume you are trying to do something nice for her.
If you hold a door open for a girl in the North, she will think that you don't think she's capable of opening her own door. "Wow, look at the BIG STRONG MAN providing for his POOR WEAK GIRL! I CAN DO IT MYSELF! I DON'T NEED YOU OR ANY OTHER MAN! YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME?! YOUR NOT! YOUR GAAAAAAHBAGE! YOU HEAR ME? GAAAHBAGE!"
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 10:21 am
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:22 am to kingbob
I'm not sure what he thought I meant by calling him all those names but that sucker took it like a champion and never lifted an eyebrow.
Oh, and it was on Long Island so he wasn't a foreigner. He understood everything I said. I couldn't believe he didn't give a rats poop.
It was actually cathartic as I got it all out of my system and was able to enjoy NY just a little bit. That place sucks in the summer though. Hot garbage on the streets and subways in July there is absolutely horrid.
Oh, and it was on Long Island so he wasn't a foreigner. He understood everything I said. I couldn't believe he didn't give a rats poop.
It was actually cathartic as I got it all out of my system and was able to enjoy NY just a little bit. That place sucks in the summer though. Hot garbage on the streets and subways in July there is absolutely horrid.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:25 am to roadGator
In the North, insults are just a joke. You're supposed to laugh them off and go, yeah, you're a cocksucker too, Johnny, ha ha ha. That mentality didn't exist in the South at all until about 20 years ago as more and more northerners moved down here, diluting some of the tenets of Southern culture.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:27 am to kingbob
I assure you, it was more than a joke. I was dead serious and he had to know it.
Miserable Yankee frick was repeated until he could no longer hear me. That was the kindest thing I said.
Miserable Yankee frick was repeated until he could no longer hear me. That was the kindest thing I said.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:29 am to kingbob
This feels about right...
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:23 am to Bulskinator
Gotdamn Yankees 
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:53 am to Bulskinator
South has always been more of an honor-shame culture, which harkens back to the Greeks and Southern aristocracy and their own views on what was honorable and what wasn't.
Noblisse Oblige: Nobility Obliges - we are kind and gracious not because others really deserve it or because they are are worthy of our kindness, but because that is what noble people do. We are good to others because good people are good to their inferiors. If we are not kind or polite, then it reflects poorly on us and we can't be dishonored that way. So, really it is about us and not the other person.
It is why the white Southerner could say that black people were treated well. He purely saw it through his own lens. HE is a good person, therefore he treats his inferiors well, because that is what his mama taught him and that is what good people do - treat their inferiors well. But, they are still his inferior.
Noblisse Oblige has been the driver of Southern hospitality and kindness and it is what has made Southern religion such a sham. Christianity teaches sacrificial love based on the value of the person before God. Noblisse Oblige is a counterfeit of that and can be laid down at the moment of insult or when it inconveniences someone or harms their "way of life." So, much of Christianity in the South has taken on the Noblisse Oblige of Southern aristocracy from the past and has dressed it up in a "Christian" veneer. The result is a mess.
And yes, football on Saturday is a replaying of war and militias and the Civil War over and over. That is why we care when a Southern team plays Notre Dame or Penn St. or Michigan. It is Gettysburg and Pickett's Charge all over again, except this time we win.
Black and white are fighting together, but the blacks are still seen as inferior, but the whites are kind to them. When they put the uniform on and represent "us," we defend them. If they take it off, they are on their own.
The South is a complicated place. In many ways, culturally, it is still 1861. Or, 1961. Just ask an Ole Miss fan.
As Faulkner says in "Intruder in the Dust,"
I think that we still replay a lot of the past, we just aren't conscious of it. Saturdays in the South in football season enables us to relive something that most of us never even knew existed.
Noblisse Oblige: Nobility Obliges - we are kind and gracious not because others really deserve it or because they are are worthy of our kindness, but because that is what noble people do. We are good to others because good people are good to their inferiors. If we are not kind or polite, then it reflects poorly on us and we can't be dishonored that way. So, really it is about us and not the other person.
It is why the white Southerner could say that black people were treated well. He purely saw it through his own lens. HE is a good person, therefore he treats his inferiors well, because that is what his mama taught him and that is what good people do - treat their inferiors well. But, they are still his inferior.
Noblisse Oblige has been the driver of Southern hospitality and kindness and it is what has made Southern religion such a sham. Christianity teaches sacrificial love based on the value of the person before God. Noblisse Oblige is a counterfeit of that and can be laid down at the moment of insult or when it inconveniences someone or harms their "way of life." So, much of Christianity in the South has taken on the Noblisse Oblige of Southern aristocracy from the past and has dressed it up in a "Christian" veneer. The result is a mess.
And yes, football on Saturday is a replaying of war and militias and the Civil War over and over. That is why we care when a Southern team plays Notre Dame or Penn St. or Michigan. It is Gettysburg and Pickett's Charge all over again, except this time we win.
Black and white are fighting together, but the blacks are still seen as inferior, but the whites are kind to them. When they put the uniform on and represent "us," we defend them. If they take it off, they are on their own.
The South is a complicated place. In many ways, culturally, it is still 1861. Or, 1961. Just ask an Ole Miss fan.
As Faulkner says in "Intruder in the Dust,"
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For every Southern boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants it, there is the instant when it’s still not yet two o’clock on that July afternoon in 1863, the brigades are in position behind the rail fence, the guns are laid and ready in the woods and the furled flags are already loosened to break out and Pickett himself with his long oiled ringlets and his hat in one hand probably and his sword in the other looking up the hill waiting for Longstreet to give the word and it’s all in the balance, it hasn’t happened yet, it hasn’t even begun yet, it not only hasn’t begun yet but there is still time for it not to begin against that position and those circumstances…
I think that we still replay a lot of the past, we just aren't conscious of it. Saturdays in the South in football season enables us to relive something that most of us never even knew existed.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:03 pm to AlaTiger
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but the blacks are still seen as inferior, but the whites are kind to them. When they put the uniform on and represent "us," we defend them. If they take it off, they are on their own.
I think you're projecting your own racism onto those of all southerners. We don't treat people with respect because we're better than them. We treat people with respect because it's the right thing to do, because it's how we wish to be treated. That was Jesus's commandment, love your neighbor as you love yourself. That is why even if southerners harbor resentment or disdain for the north for the atrocities committed by them, we do not treat them any differently. It is not because we look down on them, or anyone else, it is because being a dick to people for no reason is stupid and wrong.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:11 pm to kingbob
You and Roadgator sound like a blast.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:12 pm to kingbob
Well, I agree with all of that. I am telling you what I have observed from many others though over the course of lifetime of living in the South.
Others have observed this as well. When I say "we" and "us," I am identifying with Southerners and not saying that I agree with the sentiment.
Obviously, there are many who show respect for the right reasons and are MANY good people in the South. I am simply talking about the dynamic when/where it occurs. Not all hospitality is really because you care about the person. Much of it is because that "is what good people do."
Others have observed this as well. When I say "we" and "us," I am identifying with Southerners and not saying that I agree with the sentiment.
Obviously, there are many who show respect for the right reasons and are MANY good people in the South. I am simply talking about the dynamic when/where it occurs. Not all hospitality is really because you care about the person. Much of it is because that "is what good people do."
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:13 pm to TigerCruise
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I would say it's because you have the least educated states in America.
yup
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:26 pm to EKG
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The inability to laugh off the ridiculous provocations of others is not emblematic of honor; it's a sign of insecurity.
Actions speak louder than words. It's a sure sign that you will think twice before you provoke again.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:30 pm to Bulskinator
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:30 pm to Bulskinator
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There's a culture of honor in the South like no where else in the US.
Damn straight! Us Gumps aren't crazy...we're just a helluva lot more honorable than the rest of you lowlifes !
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:43 pm to AlaTiger
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Obviously, there are many who show respect for the right reasons and are MANY good people in the South. I am simply talking about the dynamic when/where it occurs. Not all hospitality is really because you care about the person. Much of it is because that "is what good people do."
A well armed society, is a polite society.
This doesn't necessarily have to include firearms either. The readiness to fight at the first sign of an insult plays a big part in Southern Culture.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:52 pm to Bulskinator
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There's a culture of honor in the South
You know, Pakistan, Iran, and India think they have a culture of honor too.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:55 pm to Themole
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The readiness to fight at the first sign of an insult plays a big part in Southern Culture.
That's called being weak-minded. Someone insults you, so you fight them? Only people too stupid to trade insults need to resort to throwing haymakers.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:55 pm to kingbob
Kingbob, you remind me of Cliff the postman from Cheers.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 1:00 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Kingbob, you remind me of Cliff the postman from Cheers.
That's actually a pretty apt comparison
Posted on 7/29/14 at 1:47 pm to Tiger the Hutt
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That's called being weak-minded. Someone insults you, so you fight them? Only people too stupid to trade insults need to resort to throwing haymakers.
My intention would be to frick them up enough that they learn to keep their insults to themselves.
My nature is not to do anything to garner insults, so I don't suffer aggressors lightly.
Win loose or draw, I will not take kindly to unwarranted insults. I refuse to be Bullied, to any degree.
Weak minded,is someone who would allow such shite to take place without being willing to establish pecking order.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 1:52 pm
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