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re: More Details Emerging on O's buyout
Posted on 10/17/21 at 10:48 pm to FayetteNAM
Posted on 10/17/21 at 10:48 pm to FayetteNAM
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Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:00 pm to FayetteNAM
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Legit question: can you name one coach who has been fired as a head coach to go work as an assistant at that school?
Rocky Felker is as close as I can think of. Head coach from 1986-1990 at Mississippi State. Came back in 2002 in football operations. Was RBs coach by 2007.
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:15 pm to IAmNERD
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Wait, I've been assured by LSU fans he would be fired "for cause" and would be lucky to get 6 or 7 mil, if anything at all.
Who cares? These are rich people decisions made with rich people money & it happens at every school. Let them pay him whatever they want. There will be plenty of money for the next guy & plenty of money for business schools with their names on the side of the building
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:37 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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He can be Lane’s defensive line coach and recruiting coordinator in Oxford and still get paid by LSU since he won’t be a head coach.
This is in Section 4, part C of the agreement O signed:
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During the Term, Employee hereby grants University an irrevocable, non-exclusive, non-assignable, non-transferrable worldwide limited license to use Employee's name and approve likeness in media, advertising and promotional materials in support of the LSU athletics program in a non-commercial capacity
So... can LSU basically prevent anyone from hiring O in any position that would be listed in a media guide? Do you not HAVE to list your coaches?
And it says "irrevocable", so that sounds like even if he chooses to get paid elsewhere, LSU still keeps that right.
And again, he is bound to make appearances yearly for LSU. You want your assistant coach doing that for LSU?
You gonna pay him enough to make it worth his while to waive his payments, if you want him not to?
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:42 pm to IAmNERD
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Wait, I've been assured by LSU fans he would be fired "for cause" and would be lucky to get 6 or 7 mil, if anything at all.
No fired for cause means you would get into court and have O on the stand. No rational fan ever thought LSU was going to fire for cause unless it was last resort. There were some at LSU that wanted to fire him for cause but credit to Woodward for being the adult. You fire him for "football reasons" not cause, he gets his money and goes away quietly and LSU does not go for cause and of course never officially comments on any of the public stuff that is out there (it factored in) or any other stuff that the media new about and may start revealing.
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:51 pm to FayetteNAM
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Legit question: can you name one coach who has been fired as a head coach to go work as an assistant at that school?
Are you really this stupid? Rich Rod & Mike MacIntyre we’re just there under Luke at the OC and DC……fricking know what you are talking about before posting and showing your ignorance!
Posted on 10/18/21 at 4:42 am to FayetteNAM
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Legit question: can you name one coach who has been fired as a head coach to go work as an assistant at that school?
Not sure exactly what you’re asking, but fwiw Ole Miss has a long history of firing head coaches who later take an assistant or coordinator job. Matt Luke, Orgeron, David Cutcliff, and Joe Lee Dunn all stepped down to non-head coach jobs after being fired.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 4:54 am to Scoob
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So... can LSU basically prevent anyone from hiring O in any position that would be listed in a media guide?
No. It says right there in black and white that LSU’s use of Orgeron’s name is “non-exclusive.” Also, that clause is operative only during the “term” of his contract, which is being terminated.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 5:00 am to Chad4Bama
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Sweetest, low pressure gig in America... major college football coach.
You can absolutely suck arse and get millions to leave. It's almost nauseating.
Coaches, AD's, school Presidents, CEO's, they all fail upward and get golden parachutes when let go.
I mean, 2M is a tremendous amount of money, and assistants make that now, and the season is 4 months long max. It's a good gig if you can get it.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 5:06 am to kywildcatfanone
You think SEC coaches only work four months of the year? Oh boy have I got news for you ….
Posted on 10/18/21 at 5:10 am to TeeteringBrink
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Also, that clause is operative only during the “term” of his contract, which is being terminated.
Wrong. They basically tore up his old contract and the new contract is the buyout which includes the new language being discussed. They basically said we give you the buyout money but you’re not going to coach anywhere for 4 years. He is done coaching IMO.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 5:22 am to DWIGHT
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Crawfish boils I guess.
Making it or EATING IT?
Posted on 10/18/21 at 5:35 am to lsufan1971
Not wrong. I was responding to someone’s suggestion that the quoted section of the original contract gave LSU the right to control EO’s name being in another school’s media guide, in perpetuity.
I agree that the severance agreement would novate and supersede the original contract which, as I noted, was being terminated. Idk what that new agreement says. I read somewhere that it only prohibits O from being a head coach in the SEC for 18 months.
I agree that the severance agreement would novate and supersede the original contract which, as I noted, was being terminated. Idk what that new agreement says. I read somewhere that it only prohibits O from being a head coach in the SEC for 18 months.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 5:43 am to TeeteringBrink
You are wrong. The provision that was quoted is from his Termination Agreement.
He is also signing a new employment agreement with LSU. I have not seen that, but I would assume that it would not terminate the Termination Agreement.
He is also signing a new employment agreement with LSU. I have not seen that, but I would assume that it would not terminate the Termination Agreement.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:04 am to TeeteringBrink
What I quoted was from his termination agreement.
I'm not a lawyer, but that section states that LSU controls his name and media rights over the term of the agreement. He gets paid out over 4 years, so that appears to be the timeframe.
That is also the timeframe where Ed is contractually obligated to make an annual appearance on behalf of LSU, "somewhere".
It's an odd thing to include, I can't imagine that LSU will run ads with Orgeron after he's gone. I also can't see him speaking to booster conventions or press events (like Media Day etc).
But what it MIGHT do (and again, I'm no lawyer), is create a conflict of interest which prevents him from taking spots with other teams. I would assume Ole Miss (or another program) would want him severing ties with LSU prior to taking him on.
This (having no ties to another program) is probably what Saban invoked to fire Kiffin before the championship game. If Saban would do it to that important a position, at that pressing a time, regarding a program he will likely never face, you'd have to assume he wouldn't take on someone in a lesser spot who isn't free and clear.
It's probably a standard clause, and in Orgeron's case it would be a necessity. He can't help running his mouth, he did so at times in the termination press conference. You know if he showed up around LSU staff, he'd "talk football".
I'm not a lawyer, but that section states that LSU controls his name and media rights over the term of the agreement. He gets paid out over 4 years, so that appears to be the timeframe.
That is also the timeframe where Ed is contractually obligated to make an annual appearance on behalf of LSU, "somewhere".
It's an odd thing to include, I can't imagine that LSU will run ads with Orgeron after he's gone. I also can't see him speaking to booster conventions or press events (like Media Day etc).
But what it MIGHT do (and again, I'm no lawyer), is create a conflict of interest which prevents him from taking spots with other teams. I would assume Ole Miss (or another program) would want him severing ties with LSU prior to taking him on.
This (having no ties to another program) is probably what Saban invoked to fire Kiffin before the championship game. If Saban would do it to that important a position, at that pressing a time, regarding a program he will likely never face, you'd have to assume he wouldn't take on someone in a lesser spot who isn't free and clear.
It's probably a standard clause, and in Orgeron's case it would be a necessity. He can't help running his mouth, he did so at times in the termination press conference. You know if he showed up around LSU staff, he'd "talk football".
Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:10 am to Mo Jeaux
Ahh, okay. But that quoted clause —whether in the original contract or the separation agreement— doesn’t prohibit O from coaching anywhere else. Any such prohibition would be in a non-compete type clause.
Again, I haven’t seen the separation agreement, but it is reported to only prohibit employment as a Head Coach, in the SEC, for 18 months. Not, as you said, “They basically said we give you the buyout money but you’re not going to coach anywhere for 4 years.”
Again, I haven’t seen the separation agreement, but it is reported to only prohibit employment as a Head Coach, in the SEC, for 18 months. Not, as you said, “They basically said we give you the buyout money but you’re not going to coach anywhere for 4 years.”
Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:13 am to Scoob
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that section states that LSU controls his name and media rights over the term of the agreement. He gets paid out over 4 years, so that appears to be the timeframe.
No, the payments are over that timeframe. The term of the agreement is for the remainder of the football season.
Actually, I was wrong. The term is until 2025.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 7:19 am
Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:13 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Swamp patrols to fight anyone speaking poorly of LSU football
Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:14 am to Scoob
See my other responses.
That clause wouldn’t prohibit other employment. It only gives LSU a non-exclusive right to use his name and likeness. The more specific non-compete clause would govern any other employment. Point me to a link of the separation agreement if you don’t mind.
That clause wouldn’t prohibit other employment. It only gives LSU a non-exclusive right to use his name and likeness. The more specific non-compete clause would govern any other employment. Point me to a link of the separation agreement if you don’t mind.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:15 am to TeeteringBrink
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Ahh, okay. But that quoted clause —whether in the original contract or the separation agreement— doesn’t prohibit O from coaching anywhere else. Any such prohibition would be in a non-compete type clause.
Again, I haven’t seen the separation agreement, but it is reported to only prohibit employment as a Head Coach, in the SEC, for 18 months. Not, as you said, “They basically said we give you the buyout money but you’re not going to coach anywhere for 4 years.”
I didn’t say these things.
The Termination Agreement also contains a restrictive covenant, which prohibits O from serving as or becoming employed as a head coach on the SEC for 18 months.
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