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re: Milton McGregor not guilty on three counts
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:38 pm to Vince
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:38 pm to Vince
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Yes, but if there was legal gambling, there wouldn't be the need to bribe legislators (for gambling).
So, do you think there would have been the need for (these) bribes if gambling was legal?
Do you think if there were legal gambling, it would magically make the unethical conduct of the people involved dissappear? Geesh. Your kin were likely on the jury.
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:39 pm to Vince
quote:You can't seriously be trying this logic.
Yes, but if there was legal gambling, there wouldn't be the need to bribe legislators (for gambling).
So, do you think there would have been the need for (these) bribes if gambling was legal?
We have a system of government that is suppose to allow us to elect leaders to represent us based on voting. Those elected officials legislative votes should not be bought and paid for by special interests. Especially in a fashion as egregiously as this. This has nothing to do with supporting or not supporting gambling.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:40 pm to Alahunter
I always suspected it was legal to bribe people in Alabama like it is in Louisiana. Welcome the the banana republic club bama! (LOL)
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:40 pm to WDE24
but.. but.. legalized gambling turns everyone into ethical folks and there would be a blissful utopia because of it. 
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:41 pm to bamascott2
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If AU truly did nothing wrong in the Cam thing, or with any other recruit, why all the expressions of relief at this decision?
Relief wasn't what you were seeing there brother... it was a different "R" word.
Ridicule.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:44 pm to Alahunter
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Do you think if there were legal gambling, it would magically make the unethical conduct of the people involved dissappear? Geesh. Your kin were likely on the jury.
If there were legal gambling, there would be revenue for the state. I didn't specifically say Bingo for the gambling, and in fact referenced a lottery.
As for any member of my family being on the jury, I hate to tell you, but we are smart enough to know how to get out of such a wonderful public service experience.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:44 pm to Alahunter
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Do you think if there were legal gambling, it would magically make the unethical conduct of the people involved dissappear? Geesh. Your kin were likely on the jury.
It won't change people but it will spread the power and money out. So then there won't be as much money in the big crooks' hands. Just like legalizing drugs would hurt gangs and dealers and put money in businesses hands and not thugs running around with guns. Also if gambling was legal then there wouldn't be people trying to buy votes to legalize it.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:45 pm to ThaKaptin
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:46 pm to WDE24
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We have a system of government that is suppose to allow us to elect leaders to represent us based on voting. Those elected officials legislative votes should not be bought and paid for by special interests. Especially in a fashion as egregiously as this. This has nothing to do with supporting or not supporting gambling.
This unethical practice occurs at every level of our government. Maybe you should run for office!
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:47 pm to Vince
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but we are smart enough to know how to get out of such a wonderful public service experience.
at shirking a civic duty. But at the same time... 
for keeping your logic away from important decisions. I've served 3 times(once on the grand jury) and had to be excused for a fourth. While it's a long drawn out process, it's something that citizens need to do. 
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:48 pm to Vince
quote:Well, I guess those officials that are tasked with enforcing and prosecuting these laws should be the ones we denigrate when they attempt to do their jobs, since it happens on every level of government.
This unethical practice occurs at every level of our government. Maybe you should run for office!
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:49 pm to Rabern57
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It won't change people but it will spread the power and money out. So then there won't be as much money in the big crooks' hands. Just like legalizing drugs would hurt gangs and dealers and put money in businesses hands and not thugs running around with guns
Good lord at the illogical, and to be quite frank, stupid arguments. Throwing more money at problems, doesn't fix them. It only creates bigger problems. And as long as you have the same folks in place, that are there now, you'll have LARGER issues of misconduct happening.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:52 pm to WDE24
Run for office, maybe you could use some "Pork" money to build roads, schools (that are actually needed) and NOT PUT YOUR NAME ON THEM.
And for the record, I didn't say every elected official was corrupt, but that this does occur at ever level of our government, which is quite different from saying everyone in our government is corrupt.
And for the record, I didn't say every elected official was corrupt, but that this does occur at ever level of our government, which is quite different from saying everyone in our government is corrupt.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:56 pm to Vince
quote:I never claimed you did. You said it was a waste of time and money for the State to prosecute someone who, by all accounts (except for this jury), clearly broke well defined laws in a completely unethical and morally bankrupt way.
And for the record, I didn't say every elected official was corrupt
I'm not really for or against gambling legislation, but trying to influence the legislative process the way that McGregor allegedly did should be illegal and should be prosecuted.
ETA: Also, this had nothing to do with "Pork" money.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:56 pm to AUnite
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and for the love of god, don't get a public defender
You do realize people who get public defender's can't otherwise afford representation, right?
FWIW, I know some very good attorneys who are public defenders. They know the court, know the judges, and have real relationships with the ADAs. Granted, some of them are lazy clowns sucking at the government's tit who can't litigate their way out of a brown paper bag... but you get that in the private sector, too.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:56 pm to Alahunter
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Good lord at the illogical, and to be quite frank, stupid arguments. Throwing more money at problems, doesn't fix them. It only creates bigger problems. And as long as you have the same folks in place, that are there now, you'll have LARGER issues of misconduct happening.
How is that throwing money money at it? It allows the money to be spread out over alot of different gambling places. It also divides the power up where you don't have 1 or 2 people with all the power and that means they can't cause as much corruption. Ignore the fact that you don't like MM because he is tied to Auburn and look at the issue. Also I am not defending MM. If he bribed the government then he should go to jail.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:57 pm to Vince
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I didn't read through all of this, so SIAP, but what is sad is the amount of time and money spent by the State of Alabama to investigate, raid and attempt to prosecute this issue that could have been spent elsewhere.
You actually believe that these guys are not guilty?!?! They have several of them dead to rights on this shite and because the prosecution doesnt have what amounts to video evidence the juries hung.
This is a result of a real phenomenon in this country called the "CSI effect". Television has devalued circumstantial evidence to the point that people now think that its irrelevant when it is in fact, still evidence, and still relevant. If it wasnt relevant, it wouldnt still be admissible.
I'm sure WDE can elaborate more on this.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 5:58 pm to Rabern57
quote:The issue isn't gambling or no gambling, that is the point. The issue is blatantly bribing legislators for their votes.
and look at the issue.
This post was edited on 8/11/11 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 8/11/11 at 6:01 pm to WDE24
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The issue isn't gambling or no gambling, that is the point. The issue is blatantly bribing legislators for their votes.
He was talking about legalizing gambling and what would happen.
Posted on 8/11/11 at 6:07 pm to WDE24
And the point of my statement was that this particular issue would not have occurred if there was some type of legalized gambling in Alabama (preferably controlled by and benefiting the state).
US jurisdictions with Mega Millions (blue), Powerball (red), or both (fuchsia) as of May 2011; note: the District of Columbia and the Virgin Islands offer both games.
US jurisdictions with Mega Millions (blue), Powerball (red), or both (fuchsia) as of May 2011; note: the District of Columbia and the Virgin Islands offer both games.
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