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re: Mike and Mike discussion on the CFB Playoffs
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:02 am to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:02 am to MontyFranklyn
It's destroyed the bowl interest IMO. Make the bowls a larger playoff and be done with the charade.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:02 am to higgs_boson
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As a fan of good football games, I would love that. Someone earlier posted ND would get in every year === not if they got exposed in the first round two years in a row.
Since they announced they were moving to the playoff I've been saying it should be 8 teams.
5 conference champs with 3 at large bids. That way, you have a spot for ND if they have 1-2 losses, a spot for a non-P5 school who's undefeated if it happens, and a spot for someone like tOSU this year who has a case to be in with only 1 loss.
ETA: Also, a team like Stanford who wins their conference championship won't be left out either.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:03 am to MontyFranklyn
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Now that they have dropped the Michigan State and Michigan games and have the ACC 5 game rotation where they never play Clemson, FSU or Miami in the same year, they can win 10 games a year easily.
Does it really matter? If you go to eight teams, it is not like they would be knocking out a legitimate top four team. Also, that way, they would get exposed every year, vs. only getting exposed in the big games, like the one against Bama in the championship game.
A few years of getting blown out and people might actually start looking at ND like they are now, not as they once were.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:08 am to MontyFranklyn
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just expand to 6, and have 1 and 2 get a first round bye...take all five conference champions plus 1
The problem with that is the AAC, MWC and others will start crying about their champion not getting in.
You could fix that by having the plus 1 being the highest ranked non-Power 5 conference champion...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:09 am to higgs_boson
It needs to be 8 teams. 5 auto bids for conf champs and 3 at large.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:10 am to OldPete
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You could fix that by having the plus 1 being the highest ranked non-Power 5 conference champion...
Yeah, not gonna happen. In this scenario there is no way for ND to make the playoffs. The media would not allow that to happen.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:17 am to MontyFranklyn
The field should be expanded to 8 teams. Having 4 spots and 5 power conferences will cause controversy every single year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:19 am to RB10
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Yeah, not gonna happen. In this scenario there is no way for ND to make the playoffs. The media would not allow that to happen
I agree...but if they went to a model like that, it might force ND to join a conference...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:20 am to MontyFranklyn
Could of easily happened had ND beat Stanford and Ole Miss not lost to Arkansas.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:22 am to RB10
I think giving the P5 champs an automatic bid would also make it really advantageous to schedule more difficult OOC games.
If you play a hard OOC schedule and lose a couple, your playoff chances aren't really hurt because can still get in by winning the conference. On the flip side, if you happen to win them and then slip up in conference play those quality games would make a compelling at-large argument.
If you play a hard OOC schedule and lose a couple, your playoff chances aren't really hurt because can still get in by winning the conference. On the flip side, if you happen to win them and then slip up in conference play those quality games would make a compelling at-large argument.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:39 am to dagrippa
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It's destroyed the bowl interest IMO.
How are the bowls any worse off than they were under the BCS system?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:42 am to Chicken
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just expand to 6, and have 1 and 2 get a first round bye...take all five conference champions plus 1
No offense Chicken, but frick that.
Not every conference deserves to go every year. Any system with guaranteed spots for Power 5 conference winners basically equivocates the Power 5 conferences even though ones like the ACC or Big 12 are far weaker.
Four is perfect for what college football is today, and what it will be in 10 years when the Power 5 becomes the Super 4.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:44 am to Chicken
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just expand to 6, and have 1 and 2 get a first round bye...take all five conference champions plus 1
This is why i've always like 6 better than 8. By building in the Bye, you're adding even more importance to the regular season. You want to do well enough to not only get in the playoff, but to also get the bye.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:48 am to jchamil
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How are the bowls any worse off than they were under the BCS system?
In the BCS system there were three tiers of bowls:
1. National Titles Games - 1 Game
2. BCS Bowls - 4 Games
3. Other bowls - The Rest
Going to a BCS bowl was seen as a major accomplishment of a program even if they weren't in the national title hunt.
Now we have two tiers:
1. Playoffs games - 3 Games
2. Other bowls - The Rest
The top tier got larger (growing from 1 to 3 games) but the second tier was eliminated for a net loss of two bowls worth bragging about. All other bowls below the playoffs level were devalued somewhat, just with some you can't tell because the value was already so low.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:50 am to togar tiger
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just expand to 6, and have 1 and 2 get a first round bye...take all five conference champions plus 1 This is why i've always like 6 better than 8. By building in the Bye, you're adding even more importance to the regular season. You want to do well enough to not only get in the playoff, but to also get the bye.
But the problem is, in a year like this, if we had 5 1 loss conference champs, who the hell gets the byes? MSU and Clemson have the best resumes (assuming MSU wins), but Bama passes the eye test as does OU and Stanford (hypothetical 1 loss).
To me, you need to change the entire system to have 4 or 8 total conferences with champs getting in. I know in some years that leaves out really good teams (like OSU this year). I would however have regional semifinals and finals, so if you lose a tough game in October, but are still one of the best 2/4 teams in your division/conference you get into the regional games, with a chance to make the playoff.
I have a 16 team playoff with either 2 teams playing in 8 conferences or 4 teams playing in 4 conferences, with "regional" winners meeting in the national playoff
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:51 am to cardboardboxer
I'd like to see six teams.
Conference championship game winners (SEC, Big Ten, ACC, PAC) all get in automatically. The other two spots and seeding are determined by formula or committee, or a combo of the two. Big 12 champ, Notre Dame, everyone else can fight it out for the last two spots, but couldn't complain about getting left out. 3-6 play, while 1-2 get a bye.
Conference championship game winners (SEC, Big Ten, ACC, PAC) all get in automatically. The other two spots and seeding are determined by formula or committee, or a combo of the two. Big 12 champ, Notre Dame, everyone else can fight it out for the last two spots, but couldn't complain about getting left out. 3-6 play, while 1-2 get a bye.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
We might not be ranked in the top 8 if we lose to Florida
No SEC team in a 8 team playoff even
If the SEC doesnt have a team in this year it is because the SEC sucked and didnt deserve one, its that simple
No SEC team in a 8 team playoff even
If the SEC doesnt have a team in this year it is because the SEC sucked and didnt deserve one, its that simple
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:24 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Does the SEC have that much power?
No, Alabama does though
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:25 pm to RB10
This place got an excellent purge after L5U's annual lose to Bama.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:26 pm to Giant Leaf
quote:I agree, but what about the scenario of Bama finishing 11-1 and Ole Miss winning the west. The SEC wouldn't have gotten any team in. That scenario could cause change
We might not be ranked in the top 8 if we lose to Florida
No SEC team in a 8 team playoff even
If the SEC doesnt have a team in this year it is because the SEC sucked and didnt deserve one, its that simple
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