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Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:00 pm to SilverStallion
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:00 pm to SilverStallion
One year is more recent..no matter how you slice it. Pink pony...enjoy your 7 to 8 win season.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:00 pm to thunderbird1100
Anyways to the LSU fans, I honestly believe if Ed O is just on the sidelines to motivate and let the coordinators take over, then you guys have some good pieces in place. Can be a really good team. It may take a season for everyone to get on the same page, but y'all can definitely build around Aranda and Canada.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:01 pm to Rebelatheart42
Good boy!! Now you acting like an adult. Give yourself 3 handclaps toy soldier fan
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:02 pm to Rebelatheart42
I believe you when you say you aren't trolling. To me LSU and Georgia were in the same boat with Les and Richt, respectively. So I can see a non-LSU or UGA fan asking either of us the same question.
As an LSU fan here's what I think happened with Coach O- after firing Les (and his acknowledged long term success but recent slide to just good enough) the AD needed to make a splash hire to justify firing Les. That label included only a handful of coaches and once it was clear that Jimbo would only come if he was the highest paid coach in college football (and even that wasn't guaranteed) and Tom Herman was going to Texas (after word of his move to LSU leaked and Texas conveniently fired their coach) no "big named" coaches remained. So who was worthy of getting the call up to the big leagues?
Dan Mullen? A good coach who hasn't shown he can get to and stay at the top; the main reason Les lost LSU fans. I think you'd be lambasting LSU for firing Les and replacing him with Dan Mullen, right?
Mike Gundy? Similar to Dan, plus bad optics to go to Oklahoma State back-to-back for coaches. Also has historically bad defenses, which is a failing coaching strategy in the SEC.
Larry Fedora? Exciting offensive coach (would be what LSU fans want) but has expressly stated lack of interest in defense, (see Mike Gundy).
P. J. Fleck? Too risky to hire him into his 1st Power 5 head coaching job.
So Coach O was the last, logical choice. Louisiana's own, keeps DC Dave Aranda, agrees to a lower salary, bumps up the salaries for coordinators and agrees to be the CEO and recruiting coordinator with an emphasis on recruiting Louisiana's own (a huge point of contention with Les losing Louisiana kids out-of-state). On paper the two current coordinators are among the best in the nation and especially Canada brings in a dramatically different offense than Les' 1970's Michigan one.
As an LSU fan I fear it can't work long term; currently it looks like they are among the best but neither Canada nor Aranda have a logical "tree" to go back to if/when they move onto head coaching or professional jobs. So if LSU is successful then logically we'll lose those coordinators and there isn't a logical succession plan in place. That's the risk with the current situation but all things considered I'm not sure there was a better decision to make.
As an LSU fan here's what I think happened with Coach O- after firing Les (and his acknowledged long term success but recent slide to just good enough) the AD needed to make a splash hire to justify firing Les. That label included only a handful of coaches and once it was clear that Jimbo would only come if he was the highest paid coach in college football (and even that wasn't guaranteed) and Tom Herman was going to Texas (after word of his move to LSU leaked and Texas conveniently fired their coach) no "big named" coaches remained. So who was worthy of getting the call up to the big leagues?
Dan Mullen? A good coach who hasn't shown he can get to and stay at the top; the main reason Les lost LSU fans. I think you'd be lambasting LSU for firing Les and replacing him with Dan Mullen, right?
Mike Gundy? Similar to Dan, plus bad optics to go to Oklahoma State back-to-back for coaches. Also has historically bad defenses, which is a failing coaching strategy in the SEC.
Larry Fedora? Exciting offensive coach (would be what LSU fans want) but has expressly stated lack of interest in defense, (see Mike Gundy).
P. J. Fleck? Too risky to hire him into his 1st Power 5 head coaching job.
So Coach O was the last, logical choice. Louisiana's own, keeps DC Dave Aranda, agrees to a lower salary, bumps up the salaries for coordinators and agrees to be the CEO and recruiting coordinator with an emphasis on recruiting Louisiana's own (a huge point of contention with Les losing Louisiana kids out-of-state). On paper the two current coordinators are among the best in the nation and especially Canada brings in a dramatically different offense than Les' 1970's Michigan one.
As an LSU fan I fear it can't work long term; currently it looks like they are among the best but neither Canada nor Aranda have a logical "tree" to go back to if/when they move onto head coaching or professional jobs. So if LSU is successful then logically we'll lose those coordinators and there isn't a logical succession plan in place. That's the risk with the current situation but all things considered I'm not sure there was a better decision to make.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:10 pm to frankenfish
Yea it was going to be hard replacing Les. I mean he didn't win it all every year, but was consistent. As you said, you would have to have a big name, and at the time none really came calling. I think y'all did the best thing for the time frame you had. Plus securing top coordinators. As you say again though, they could jump to a coaching position quick if they work out, and have to start looking again. Just be happy for now with who you have and hope for the best. You always want your coordinators to be the best in the country, but you also have to keep one eye on the door they could walk out of. Good luck to y'all
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:23 pm to threedog79
If Coach O let's his coordinators do their job, and he will, He will be a major improvement.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:31 pm to thomasbrown_2007
I won't miss Les one bit but I was pretty damn disappointed when Alleva hired O. I would still take O over Miles right now though if I had the choice. I can't take an offense consisting of run, run, then throwing a sideline bomb not one more year. Les made LSU football damn near miserable to watch the last few years.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:49 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Well, y'all are still on the hook for $9 million to him. What AD in his right mind is going to swallow that pill just to get Les?
This makes no sense. Teams really should be jumping at him since they can get him at a discount. LSU will owe anything less than he is paid to make him whole to the buyout number anyway. LSU will be paying that not the new school.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:37 pm to Guess
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This makes no sense. Teams really should be jumping at him since they can get him at a discount. LSU will owe anything less than he is paid to make him whole to the buyout number anyway. LSU will be paying that not the new school.
We're used to exorbitant coaching salaries in the SEC. Critics of Dan Mullen often argue that his lack of offers from other schools indicates that he's not a highly respected coach. The truth is that MSU priced out most programs with the salary that they pay Mullen. Other SEC schools would pay that much, but they are hesitant to recycle coaches. Same with Les. The number of schools who would pay him enough to make him give up $9 million in free money is small. And none of those programs is gonna be excited about getting a recycled Les.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:51 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Imagine being in an AD and trying to sell Leslie Edwin Miles as the next HC to your fanbase
-Here he is eating grass
-Here is when he learned that the game is regulated by a running clock
-Here's what he did with more NFL talent than we've had in 2 decades
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:02 pm to thomasbrown_2007
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I knew a lsu puma fan would be salty. Smart > coach orgie. Smart actually has a .500 record as a head coach
He has a .500 record. In the east. Lol
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:05 pm to thomasbrown_2007
As an LSU fan I will miss Les Miles because he is a good person, he always says something quirky, he DGAF what people think of him.
As the coach of LSU I miss Les when he was Lesticles and the Mad Hatter. The Periloux, Hatch, Lee year ruined him. Our offense became so predictable.
With coach O I have hope that we may become a great team. He is not affraid to move the ball. Hopefully he will be successful, but if not at least we tried a new approach.
As the coach of LSU I miss Les when he was Lesticles and the Mad Hatter. The Periloux, Hatch, Lee year ruined him. Our offense became so predictable.
With coach O I have hope that we may become a great team. He is not affraid to move the ball. Hopefully he will be successful, but if not at least we tried a new approach.
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