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LSU/A&M fight - Using Logic/Evidence - Faulk is first to escalate to physical altercation

Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:43 am
Posted by Ms Rev
Member since Nov 2016
27 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:43 am
I have seen a lot of evidence out there regarding this fight. I wasn’t going to post this, as I thought it had all died down, but it appears logic needs to be brought to the table so hopefully all false narratives can stop. I will present evidence to support the following logic.

•Craig runs to LSU side to run his mouth after the game
•Red shirt guy holds back/prevents Craig from making any contact to de-escalate the situation
•Red shirt guy succeeds and both Craig and red shirt guy turn around to go away
•Kragthorpe literally runs up right behind red shirt guy to run his mouth after he had just become successful in complete de-escalation of Craig (It is clear red shirt guy thought Craig was still be behind him when he pushed Kragthorpe away with his open hand, but red shirt guy truly was successful in de-escalating Craig so Craig wasn’t aware of anything going on with red shirt guy at this point)
•Red shirt guy turns around and pushes Kragthorpe away to prevent any escalation to turn physical given prior evidence of intent of de-escalation
•Faulk comes over and is the first person to become physical in a negative manner by punching red shirt guy to escalate vs. de-escalate (correct order of photos proves such) as do videos
•Red shirt guy then hits back in defense given prior evidence of intent of de-escalation
•John Battle comes in to take a hit on red shirt guy too.
•Finally all people present are successful in separating individuals in altercation to finally de-escalate permanently (Notice others had to put hands on people to de-escalate the same way red shirt guy thought he was doing with pushing Kragthorpe back with his open hand….same intent of de-escalation)

In an effort to present the facts, and to clear up any confusion, we need to get these photos put out to the press in the right logical order. Let’s begin:

First, it is hard to put these photos in order when the photos are taken by at least two, possibly three, photographers by the photo's angles. We know, however, that John Battle arrives later in the scuffle ( Battle Punch). By looking at people placement, where hands of people are in relation of photos to logically stop the fight, and velocity of Faulk's punch and pull of Faulk's own sweatshirt by red shirt guy from being hit, the photos are in their correct order below.

Why is the Advocate still presenting the photo evidence in the wrong order which misleads uneducated viewers to the facts?

Advocate

Why is Kragthorpe presenting his role in the events in an incorrect version to the point it becomes a lie? "I didn't appreciate getting punched in my pacemaker," Kragthorpe. Red shirt guy uses open hand-not a punch in effort to prevent altercation between Kragthorpe and Craig. (I could list more video evidence disputing Kragthorpe's version of events but won't due to time.)

Tiger Rant Post-Linking Daily Advertiser Article Kragthorpe Testimony

Video of Kragthorpe & Red Shirt Guy open hand

Kragthopre running up to red shirt guy from behind

I have ideas/opinions/thoughts on why photo, video, and personnel accounts of the evidence is being presented in such a biased way from LSU's side, but it would be irresponsible to share speculation without fact. One thing that can be determined, without any speculation with the evidence presented, is that Faulk is the first one who became physical in a negative manner of escalation vs. de-escalation in the events occurring after Texas A&M won the game. All other activity prior with red shirt guy was to try to prevent anything negatively physical from happening (including open hand interaction with Kragthorpe). Once Faulk hit red shirt guy with his punch, red shirt guy was in defense/protection mode.













*edited to add the video I stated I would add to show Kragthorpe running up to red shirt guy from behind
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:43 am to
you've got way to much time on your hands. GET LAID.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31888 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:45 am to
Craig is responsible......period. I now feel a bit bad for Fisher.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Red shirt guy
Cole Fisher

ETA:

This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 10:48 am
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24364 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:47 am to
No one knows when the actual first punch got thrown. That one still pic doesn’t tell shite. Speaking of logic.
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:48 am to
Which translated means "you're right".
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24958 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:48 am to
Great, now we get a thesis on the matter.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40077 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:49 am to
For everyone who keeps talking about Battle, the pics clearly show he was also trying to deescalate and separate Faulk. When 2 punches almost clipped Battle’s face, then he threw a punch.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 10:51 am
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
11441 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Craig is responsible......period. I now feel a bit bad for Fisher.


This behavior isn’t new to Jimbo Fisher.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40077 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:02 am to
He is talking about junior
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24958 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:04 am to
quote:

•Red shirt guy turns around and pushes Kragthorpe away continuing in effort to prevent any escalation to turn physical given prior evidence of intent of de-escalation




The only part it appears you have right is that Fisher shoves Krag. Nothing in that clip looks like he's trying to deescalate anything. Craig is walking away and Fisher is walking towards Krag after the shove when Faulk gets involved. No part of Cole's body language has deescalate, in fact, it looks like he's jawing at Krag which is why you see the LSU staff run in.

Yeah, he was clearly trying to deescalate so much an aggy player had to restrain and walk him away from Faulk.
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:05 am to


All I gotta say is 1 on 1, Cole Fisher wants none of Kevin Faulk

All of this is irrelevant to me now, it is over and done, next year in BR should be a hell of a fight, too soon?
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 11:09 am
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:06 am to
Craig started it. Krag wouldn't let it die. Faulk is a punk who should be fired. Battle is kind of a pussy. Fischer did nothing wrong.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:08 am to
quote:

Fischer did nothing wrong.
No
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24958 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:09 am to
quote:

Fischer did nothing wrong.


Fisher was the first person to lay a hand on anyone. Craig is walking away when Fisher shoves Krag. But yeah, nothing wrong on his part.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:10 am to
Extending an arm with an open hand to protect your personal space when someone is angrily approaching you is justified. Did. Nothing. Wrong.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24958 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Extending an arm with an open hand to protect your personal space when someone is angrily approaching you is justified. Did. Nothing. Wrong.



Jesus christ. Regardless of how you want to word it, Fisher shoved Krag. He was the first person in the entire mess to get physical. Then after shoving Krag, he's following him and it ostensibly looks like he's jawing at Krag before Faulk gets involved.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22151 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:16 am to
In the video you posted from Brent Zwerneman's twitter, you can see Fisher push Kragthorp in the chest (which I agree, was not done with ill intentions, and was not the way Kragthorp made it seem).

Then you can see Faulk come over and exchange words with Fisher before people step in between them.

If Fisher was only intending to de-escalate the situation, then why, at this point, is he physically restrained by an A&M player right at the end of the video? This all appears to be before Faulk and Fisher grab each other and punches are thrown, so do we know whether Faulk walked over to Fisher or if Fisher walked back over to Faulk?
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3201 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:19 am to
quote:

•Craig runs to LSU side to run his mouth after the game


congrats.. The 1st thing you do is provide evidence that contradicts your conclusion...
Posted by Ms Rev
Member since Nov 2016
27 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:19 am to
quote:

quote:
•Red shirt guy turns around and pushes Kragthorpe away continuing in effort to prevent any escalation to turn physical given prior evidence of intent of de-escalation





The only part it appears you have right is that Fisher shoves Krag. Nothing in that clip looks like he's trying to deescalate anything. Craig is walking away and Fisher is walking towards Krag after the shove when Faulk gets involved. No part of Cole's body language has deescalate, in fact, it looks like he's jawing at Krag which is why you see the LSU staff run in.

Yeah, he was clearly trying to deescalate so much an aggy player had to restrain and walk him away from Faulk.


Kragthorpe running up to red shirt guy from behind

Found the video... Added here and in main post.

Btw, if someone punches you, how would you react back?

*edited to show evidence
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 12:17 pm
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