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re: Lost in all the hoopla about rules & HUNH is LSU's Defensive Coordinator...
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:41 pm to adammwilson
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:41 pm to adammwilson
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great D every year under Chavis
chill with the hyperbola... this year's LSU defense was far from "great".
LSU ranked 5th in total defense in SEC games last year... giving up 399 yards. LSU ranked 20th nationally in total defense vs. FBS opponents.
Those are solid numbers... but far from great.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:46 pm
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:46 pm to lowspark12
good enough to beat Auburn.
I 'll take it
I 'll take it
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:47 pm to adammwilson
LSU D under Chavis.
Scoring D:
2013- 21st
2012- 12th
2011- 2nd
2010- 11th
2009- 11th
Judged by yards allowed per game:
Rushing D:
2013- 36th
2012- 9th
2011- 5th
2010- 42nd
2009- 46th
Passing D:
2013- 13th
2012- 28th
2011- 8th
2010- 10th
2009- 29th
Total D:
2013- 15th
2012- 8th
2011- 2nd
2010- 12th
2009- 26th
How this can lead you to any conclusion that he isn't a great DC I have no idea.
Scoring D:
2013- 21st
2012- 12th
2011- 2nd
2010- 11th
2009- 11th
Judged by yards allowed per game:
Rushing D:
2013- 36th
2012- 9th
2011- 5th
2010- 42nd
2009- 46th
Passing D:
2013- 13th
2012- 28th
2011- 8th
2010- 10th
2009- 29th
Total D:
2013- 15th
2012- 8th
2011- 2nd
2010- 12th
2009- 26th
How this can lead you to any conclusion that he isn't a great DC I have no idea.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:47 pm to GFunk
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They finished with only 1 or 2 losses, won their Conference and a BCS Bowl Game. Which of their teams were better? They would've played for a National Title had they not taken that game in Dallas to start the year (Props to Kelly for not backing down).
2012 Oregon Team Statistics
2011 Oregon Team Statistics
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This sounds like excuses...I know because they normally sound like the auditory equivalent of watching someone reach or overextend themselves to do something they're otherwise incapable of.
LSU was the better team on September 21; they started the game much better. I'm unconvinced that LSU was the better team in November. Auburn changed their offense after the LSU game; that's an undeniable fact.
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LSU wins >10 games far more often than Auburn does,
Relevance? My point was that the 2011 team was exceedingly great and dominant compared to any other team of Les Miles' tenure. No other team that LSU fielded is on 2011's LSU. 2011 LSU was an all time great for LSU and completed one of the greatest regular seasons in college football history. No other Les Miles' team comes close to the number of accomplishments of 2011, the dominance, or being involved in a GOAT discussion.
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Lil' Lady.
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Please do. It's been a busy day at work and I could use the laughter.
I won't entertain you any longer.Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:48 pm to lowspark12
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this year's LSU defense was far from "great".
Considering how much they had to replace- including both starting CB's with true freshman. Plus, they had that idiot at MLB holding them back.
I understand what you're saying though.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:49 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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good enough to beat Auburn.
I 'll take it
i don't blame you.. i'd take it too.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:53 pm to adammwilson
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Put some context in here. What are you talking about?
That should be 44-41, 27-24, and 38-17.
The number on the left is the number of points given up by LSU in LSU's 3 losses.
The stats came from the College Football Statistics website.
https://www.cfbstats.com/2013/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category09/sort01.html
https://www.cfbstats.com/2013/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:02 pm to MrsGarrison
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The number on the left is the number of points given up by LSU in LSU's 3 losses.
Thank you. Now I understand.
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44-41
To be fair that was a heck of a good UGA team. UGA played great VS them.
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27-24
27 points is not a ton. Especially when your offense turns over the ball 3 times.
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38-17.
LSU was held to under 50 rushing yards. Not going to win many games like that. Plus, they had 2 turnovers. Bama was held to under 400 yards of total offense.
While I can see where you're coming from I think the results overall speak for themselves. Chavis was given a young Defense and did very well with them all things considered.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:03 pm to adammwilson
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2013- 21st
2012- 12th
2011- 2nd
2010- 11th
2009- 11th
These number are all fair.
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Total D:
2013- 15th
2012- 8th
2011- 2nd
2010- 12th
2009- 26th
These numbers are also great.
Keep in mind that Alabama ranked higher than LSU in both categories every year in this time span.
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Rushing D:
2013- 36th
2012- 9th
2011- 5th
2010- 42nd
2009- 46th
The 2013, 2010, and 2009 ranking aren't great. Saban's defenses beat LSU every year here too.
I'd also like to point out that Alabama has several #1 rankings in the categories you listed while LSU has zero.
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2013- 13th
2012- 28th
2011- 8th
2010- 10th
2009- 29th
The 2012 and 2009 numbers aren't great. Neither Alabama or LSU had a great secondary in the past season, and Alabama narrowly managed to be ranked higher than LSU.
Out of these 20 rankings, LSU only ranked higher than Alabama in 2010 passing defense.
There's plenty of talk regarding LSU and Alabama having similar levels of talent and coaching; however, the numbers don't exactly support that argument. One can blame schedules, but I don't believe that tells the whole story, and quite frankly I wouldn't want to discuss that here.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:06 pm to MrsGarrison
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Keep in mind that Alabama ranked higher than LSU in both categories every year in this time span.
I'm not surprised. I think we all know how dominant Bama have been on D. Saying one is a great DC and has had some great Defenses doesn't take away from Saban's.
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There's plenty of talk regarding LSU and Alabama having similar levels of talent and coaching; however, the numbers don't exactly support that argument.
One has to consider how hamstrung LSU's Defense has been by the offenses it's put out. They finally have a real, legitimate OC in Cam Cameron.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:13 pm to adammwilson
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To be fair that was a heck of a good UGA team. UGA played great VS them.
Yes, a healthy 2013 Georgia offense was tough to beat, but I'm not sure it was unstoppable.
Speaking of Georgia, how much greater was the 2013 Georgia offense compared to the 2012 version?
2012 Georgia had a good offense too, but they faced significantly better defenses in 2012 South Carolina, Florida, and Alabama.
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27 points is not a ton. Especially when your offense turns over the ball 3 times.
Ole Miss had 500+ yards; they just weren't particularly efficient.
2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 Ole Miss all had 400+ yards and 25+ points versus a Chavis defense.
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LSU was held to under 50 rushing yards. Not going to win many games like that. Plus, they had 2 turnovers. Bama was held to under 400 yards of total offense.
I'm aware of this, and Alabama only scored a field goal off of the two turnovers. Alabama had the ball deep in LSU territory after stopping LSU on 4th down and had enough time to score another touchdown. I don't think many people here would state that Alabama's offense was better than Georgia's, yet they both performed similarly versus LSU several weeks apart.
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While I can see where you're coming from I think the results overall speak for themselves. Chavis was given a young Defense and did very well with them all things considered.
That's debatable, but it's not big deal.
2010 Alabama only returned 2 starters and had to fight with injuries and complacency, yet they put up better numbers than 2013 LSU despite playing a tougher schedule.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:16 pm to MrsGarrison
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How did LSU fare versus 2012 Alabama, 2013 Georgia, and 2013 Alabama's power running games?
WTF does that have to do with a thread about the HUNH and defending it?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:17 pm to adammwilson
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I'm not surprised. I think we all know how dominant Bama have been on D. Saying one is a great DC and has had some great Defenses doesn't take away from Saban's.
Sorry, I don't mean to come off that way.
Chavis is 3rd at worst in the conference.
Muschamp and Saban are the only two defensive coaches that are arguably as good if not better.
Indubitably, Chavis is a great defensive coordinator; he's one of the best defensive coaches in the FBS.
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One has to consider how hamstrung LSU's Defense has been by the offenses it's put out.
Yes. Florida's suffering those problems now.
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hey finally have a real, legitimate OC in Cam Cameron.
We'll see what he's made of next year, but I can agree.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:20 pm to MrsGarrison
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Speaking of Georgia, how much greater was the 2013 Georgia offense compared to the 2012 version?
We will never know sadly. While the offense was still record setting for UGA, because of all the injuries we will never know how good it could have been.
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2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 Ole Miss all had 400+ yards and 25+ points versus a Chavis defense.
Pretty amazing. I'm not sure why but LSU never seem to play particularly well VS them.
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2010 Alabama only returned 2 starters and had to fight with injuries and complacency, yet they put up better numbers than 2013 LSU despite playing a tougher schedule.
I'm not trying to compare the two. I think they're both great DC's.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:22 pm to adammwilson
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Pretty amazing. I'm not sure why but LSU never seem to play particularly well VS them
Ole Piss hates LSU more than LSU hates them. They circle that game and usually play their best ball of the year
Posted on 2/14/14 at 5:06 pm to MrsGarrison
[quote]Chavis is a great defensive coordinator; he's one of the best defensive coaches [/quote
Why would you post all of those stats to try to prove that Chavis isn't a good DC and then post the above comment. That's why it doesn't do any good to argue with a woman. They will argue up one side and down the other for no reason whatsoever.
Why would you post all of those stats to try to prove that Chavis isn't a good DC and then post the above comment. That's why it doesn't do any good to argue with a woman. They will argue up one side and down the other for no reason whatsoever.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 5:12 pm to GFunk
LSU developed a great way to fake injures and not get caught. Please help our team by showing how you did that.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:06 pm to bencoleman
I'm not a woman. I sensed an exaggeration of LSU's defenses and Chavis' merits, so I responded.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:50 pm to MrsGarrison
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MrsGarrison
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I'm not a woman.
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MrsGarrison
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I'm not a woman.
Okay lady...
Posted on 2/14/14 at 8:54 pm to RT1941
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I respect LSU coaches. At least they show up with a solid gameplan, kick our arse, and move on. They don't whine like little babies to the rules committee.
It's really embarrassing that Saban has spun this to say it's for the safety of his players... basically he can't defend the HUNH and as long as the rules aren't changed to coddle him he will continue to have problems with it...
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