re: Les Miles owns the Auburn Tigers

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You are sounding like Georgia now. "We may not play up to our potential but we beat Auburn". :roll eyes: LSU is a great program. They have won more games in the head to head but they are constantly underachieving with a foot at the wheels…

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Unlike UGA we've won 2 sec champs in 7 years and won a NC and played in another in that same time frame. Have we had some disappointing losses in that same time frame? Of course. I've been very critical of Miles at certain times. But again show me a team and coach that hasn't in that same time frame. Even Saban this past season has been human. But I do appreciate your concern for LSU success.

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We'll win by 3 tds this year and put up at least 40 points... As long as the dew stays to a minimum.... Bookmark it!

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I double booked it! In two years Gus will be on his way out at Auburn

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LSU is a great program. They have won more games in the head to head but they are constantly underachieving with a fool at the wheels…

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shite then if you're right can you imagine how badly we're going to kick your asses once we get a real coach in here?

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The only luck Miles has had in late game wins was Derek Dooley with 35 players on the field.

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When you're playing against a competitive or good opponent, you'll need some luck to complete a come from behind victory. The other team obviously did enough to get ahead, and you'll have to count on those same things not happening. Furthermore, you must count on your plays going in your favor and for the other team to make mistakes.

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2007 comes to mind. For all the talk about miracles and help that the 2013 Auburn Tigers needed, we shouldn't forget 2007 LSU. They lost to two 5-loss SEC teams and struggled against 4 other SEC teams

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Let's not forget Saban's miracle 12-10 win facing "mighty" Tennessee where they needed to block a FG to pull it off. Or how about the 2009 game with LSU. I know you remember the no call spear to the chest of our freaking QB with the ref looking right at it, and the interception where Peterson made a divot inbounds dragging both feet. Or the fact that Saban's worthlessness in finding a decent FG kicker lost him the game against LSU in 2011 and Auburn in 2013. Utah moping the floor with them in 2010 was pretty fun too. Oh and that 14 point loss last year to Oklahoma with that arse of an offensive line. Henry is running like a beast but you give it to your QB who has been sacked numerous times, to try and win the game? Also the hell Manziel has put to your "vaunted defense" the past two years.

Saban has his share of shite and luck, so don't talk that stuff around here. We may have "backed in" in 2007, but you did it in 2011, 2012, and almost had another chance to do it in 2013.

You deserve a LOL my friend

LSU better than AU in 2014! Bayou Bengals will win at Jordan-Hare this season ... Book it!

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Saban completed the rebuilding/restructuring/progressive phase. All Miles had to do was maintain and transition the program into his regime. Yes, Miles' objectively could be doing better than Saban at LSU, but Saban didn't stick around long enough to reap the fruit he had grown. Saban has matured since his LSU days. His coaching acumen recently is considerably higher than it was during his LSU days a decade ago.

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Well this is good news for LSU fans. The 5 years Saban had at LSU put in progress a cosmic shift so powerful that will never have to worry about recruiting ever again. The only thing we need to do now is fire Miles and hire Curley Hallman back at pennies on the dollar since it no longer matters who the coach is, the program recruits itself now and forever more.

I mean 50 years from now they will still be talking about how thanks to Saban the recruiting is what it is at LSU. Nothing to do with the local pipeline or the facilities or maybe even (gasp) they love playing for a particular coach (Miles)?

Yes, obviously Saban played a big part in getting the facilities and the program to a whole new level, but the people who think a monkey could roam the sidelines and LSU would still be pulling in top 2 recruiting classes are just as biased and homerish as the LSU fans who think Miles never does anything wrong (which are a vocal minority btw).

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Or the fact that Saban's worthlessness in finding a decent FG kicker lost him the game against LSU in 2011 and Auburn in 2013. Utah moping the floor with them in 2010 was pretty fun too. Oh and that 14 point loss last year to Oklahoma with that arse of an offensive line. Henry is running like a beast but you give it to your QB who has been sacked numerous times, to try and win the game? Also the hell Manziel has put to your "vaunted defense" the past two years.

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Where in my post did I talk about any of these things and how are they relevant? I mentioned 2012 Alabama, and they're the only that's relevant here.

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Saban has his share of shite and luck, so don't talk that stuff around here.

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I may if I desire. Saban hasn't been fortunate enough to afford two losses. How many teams have lost a game and not descended in the rankings? Normally when you lose, you fall in the rankings. In which case, you need the other teams above you to get penalized by the voters due to a loss, performance, etc. 2007 LSU, 2010 Auburn, and 2013 Auburn were some of the most fortunate teams I know of. Alabama's had their bounces here and there, but the teams I listed had at least 5 or 6 on the field bounces in their respective seasons and also got help off the field from other teams losing, etc.

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Yes, obviously Saban played a big part in getting the facilities and the program to a whole new level, but the people who think a monkey could roam the sidelines and LSU would still be pulling in top 2 recruiting classes are just as biased and homerish as the LSU fans who think Miles never does anything wrong (which are a vocal minority btw).

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I'm not one of those people. LSU could be considerably greater than what they are right now. For starters, LSU doesn't have a good excuse for struggling with Arkansas and Ole Miss. I don't care if those are rivalry games; those programs are drastically inferior to LSU resource wise and historically, and if Les Miles is what you talk him up to be, you have a better coach too. Alabama has struggled with Tennessee 1 time in the past 7 seasons. Alabama has struggled with two so-so Auburn teams (2007 and 2009) and two remarkable Auburn teams (2010 and 2013). The 2010 Arkansas loss is fine. Arkansas was very good that season. 2012 and 2013 on the other hand, aren't excusable.