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Lawyer's Perspective: Georgia is Objectively a Top Four Team

Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:05 am
Posters on tRant are no doubt luxuriating in Georgia's exclusion as the end of a brief "dynasty," and haranguing against Alabama's inclusion as evidence of "Bama bias." Let's assess the playoffs as they actually should have been formatted from an objective and evidence based perspective.

The four playoff births are not (supposed to be) determined by some erratic or pell-mell method of cherry picking four teams. Rather, the playoff rankings follow logically from the end-of-season rankings.

Georgia, the back-to-back national champion and victor of 29 straight games, lost by a clunked field goal to the greatest dynasty in NCAAFB history, the 12-1 Alabama Crimson Tide. Naturally, this #1 team cannot remain #1 as it lost to (now) another 12-1 team that enjoys the head-to-head victory. So, how far does Georgia fall?

Certainly, Georgia cannot fall behind Michigan. A team moves up in the rankings due to superior wins. Here, Michigan beat an Iowa team that almost lost to Nebraska, Illinois, and Northwestern (and indeed did lose to Minnesota) in the past month. The B10 is so weak that the only opponent it can produce to face Michigan is Iowa in its own championship game.

But does the B10 not enjoy some deference as a conference? Well, lets analyze its playoff record. Michigan was bludgeoned by Georgia by more than four touchdowns in 2021. It then lost to a TCU team that was bludgeoned by more than four touchdowns by – alas – Georgia in 2022. Why should Michigan enjoy a third straight playoff birth when their defeat by several touchdowns at the hands of another Georgia team would be virtually inevitable? The only other competitor in the B10 is Ohio State who, since 2007, has provided itself utterly incapable of defeating SEC teams in the BCS / playoffs – from Florida (twice), to LSU, to Alabama, to Georgia.

Georgia likewise cannot fall behind Washington. The PAC 12 is such a weak conference that it has voluntarily committed self-extinction. No conference that will cease to exist in a matter of weeks should be shown any deference when its undefeated “champion” (besting a team lead by a quarterback that decamped from the SEC to the P12 precisely due to the latter’s utter lack of defense) is compared to an 12-1 back-to-back national champion playing in, incontrovertibly, the best conference in the country. Should Liberty be in the playoffs, as they are likewise 13-0? Why not? The answer is not they should be excluded because they do not play in a “Power Five” conference – the title, “Power 5,” is simply a buzz phrase used to distinguish generally superior versus generally inferior groups of conferences. In this case, those groupings are irrelevant. We can compare the SEC to the P12 in the same way that we can compare the P12 to Conference-USA. If we leave 13-0 Liberty out in favor of Washington due to each conference’s talent imbalance, then it logically follows that a 13-0 P12 team should not move up in the ranks at the expense of an 12-1 SEC team due to each conference's talent imbalance.

In order for Texas to advance in the rankings, it must achieve a quality win. Certainly, for the #1 team to fall behind the #7 team, that #7 team must achieve something other than watching the #1 team lose by a mere field goal to the greatest dynasty in NCAAFB history. What did Texas achieve? It defeated an Oklahoma State team that lost to UCF by a score of 45-3 at home, lost to South Alabama by a score of 33-7 at home, and lost to Iowa State. The fact that this was a “championship” game does not play to Texas’ favor – if Oklahoma State is the best that the B12 can muster, then a win in the championship game is virtually meaningless. In other words, Texas’ victory over a team that was drubbed by both UCF and South Alabama is not deserving of a multi-rank advancement above the #1 team that lost by a field goal to 12-1 Alabama.

Finally, we assess Florida State. Again, the buzz phrase “Power Five” is rendered toothless when considering the objective and considerable talent disparity between the ACC and the rest of the conferences – especially in comparison to the SEC. One could just as easily label the ACC part of a “Group of Six.” Again, to argue that FSU deserves a playoff birth over an 12-1 SEC team simply for being in the ACC then compels the simultaneous belief that a 13-0 Liberty team should be awarded a playoff birth against one-loss teams in superior conferences. FSU cannot logically gain rank above Georgia for beating a Louisville team that, in the prior week, had lost to a middling 7-5 SEC team (Kentucky). The fact that FSU could barely beat a below average SEC team (Florida) the week prior further substantiates the ACC’s status as the weakest of the purported “Power Five” conferences. A win against Louisville (including a riveting 3-0 halftime score against a team that would objectively be 6-6 or worse in the SEC) does not merit a newfound rank advantage over the #1 team that just lost by a field goal against 12-1 Alabama.

So how should the rankings have been determined? How many ranks can we punish the back-to-back national champion who - according to the esteemed intelligentsia - was the #1 team in the country for the entirety of the season? Can one clunked field goal against Alabama result in a FIVE rank drop for a team favored to "three peat"? Emotionally, you may answer "of course!" to spite Georgia. Logically, however, the answer is "no."

Clearly, Alabama moves up ahead of Georgia. The back-to-back national champion with 29 straight victories (who has been ranked #1 all season) cannot fall behind teams that – as previously evidenced – have won meaningless games rendered “important” because their inferior conferences have classified them as conference “championships.” A now 12-1 Georgia team must be backstopped, at worst, at #4. A field goal loss to 12-1 Alabama cannot logically result in a five rank drop.

Thus, Georgia may be placed somewhere within the top four, ranked behind Alabama. The other two spots could be granted to Texas (with a head-to-head victory over Alabama) and either Michigan (who will lose for a third straight year in the playoffs and is frankly undeserving of a birth) or Washington (whose conference is so weak that its teams have voluntarily chosen to kill it at great expense).

#1 Texas; #2 Alabama #3 Georgia #4 Michigan or Washington

Obviously, Georgia, Alabama, and Texas would provide the only close games.

Edit - this will be downgraded due to the illiteracy epidemic currently plaguing tRant.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 10:24 am
Posted by PineyWoodsHog
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:07 am to
Is this a manifesto or just a diary entry?
Posted by mattchewbocca
houma, la
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:08 am to
I ain’t reading all that shite
Posted by TailbackU
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:09 am to
Typical lawyer. Verbose and vapid. Nobody’s reading all that shite dude.
Posted by Interweb Cowboy
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:09 am to
Holy wall of text.
Posted by Notrub14
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:10 am to
I’m not reading that, but I agree Georgia is clearly one of the best 4 teams.

Not sure what you being a lawyer has to do with anything. I’m a lawyer too and can’t say that makes my opinions on college football worth listening to.
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:11 am to
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Is this a manifesto or just a diary entry?


It is a post on a website. If you have no actual critique, I'll assume you agree with everything posted and have no counterarguments. I know its unusual to read more than three lines of a Tweet in modern day society, but a few paragraphs is hardly much "reading."
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:12 am to
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Typical lawyer. Verbose and vapid. Nobody’s reading all that shite dude.


There is a difference between verbosity and a thorough evaluation of each piece of evidence. By that logic, every book or journal article that constitutes more than a few sentences is "verbose." Moreover, if you did not read it, how can you evaluate its purported vapidity?
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 10:14 am
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:14 am to
quote:

the back-to-back national champion and victor of 29 straight games


Not a part of selection criteria
Posted by Tigerpaul1969
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Jan 2010
4448 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:14 am to
Short version: If 1-loss Alabama can get in over FSU, then 1-loss UGA should get in over Michigan.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 10:17 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:17 am to
Georgia's issue was that while they are objectively one of the 4 best they don't have an objectively top 4 resume and played a good but not great SoS. Combine that with no conference title and they weren't going to get in in a year like this.

Alabama (12-1), #4 SOR, #5 SOS, SEC Champ
Texas (12-1), #5 SOR, #13 SOS, BXII Champ

Ohio State (11-1), #6 SOR, #7 SOS, no champ
Georgia (12-1), #7 SOR, #37 SOS, no champ
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 10:18 am
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:17 am to
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Not a part of selection criteria


It certainly is a part of the selection criteria. Does precedent not help establish the degree to which a conference / team would be competitive in the playoffs? Why should the SEC and B10 enjoy any deference over the Sun Belt and the C-USA if that's not the case?

Is Georgia's status as the #1 team for the entirety of the season "not part of selection criteria," either?
Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:17 am to


Cant spell mulligan without uga

*mUlliGAn
Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:20 am to
The Bama v Georgia game was always winner take all.

It was a miracle you were allowed in after Bama blew your doors off in the SECCG 2 years ago.

mUlliGAn
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:21 am to
quote:

Georgia's issue was that while they are objectively one of the 4 best they don't have an objectively top 4 resume and played a good but not great SoS. Combine that with no conference title and they weren't going to get in in a year like this.


A fair counterargument, but ultimately unpersuasive. Strength of schedule is a delusive ranking that can punish teams playing in the best conferences.

The fact that Wake Forest may be ranked above Arkansas or Arizona State may be ranked above Vanderbilt skews the "strength of schedule" ranking, but is ultimately irrelevant. Would Georgia not have beaten Wake or ASU in the same way that it beat Arkansas and Vanderbilt?

Wins over ranked teams is a more appropriate evaluation of relative teams' strength. Georgia enjoyed dominating wins over #21 Tennessee, #11 Ole Miss, #9 Missouri, and lost by a FG to #4 Alabama. That is a more impressive resume than - as evidenced above - any team currently in the playoffs other than Alabama.

The fact that #8 Alabama was only granted a spot (and thus moved up four ranks) due to its victory over the #1 team proves that Georgia is indeed a playoff team. How else can one justify Alabama's rank advancement?
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 10:25 am
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:22 am to
Happy for you tho...or sorry that happened.
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:22 am to
quote:

It was a miracle you were allowed in after Bama blew your doors off in the SECCG 2 years ago.


That only proves my point. Georgia lost the SECCG game to - wait for it - Alabama, and then proceeded to win the national championship. They did so by beating the B10 champ (wait for it - Michigan) by several touchdowns in the semi-final game. Does that arrangement sound familiar? What would happen if Georgia was, again, properly rewarded a playoff spot despite a close loss to Alabama in the SECCG?
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
883 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Happy for you tho...or sorry that happened.


A riveting contribution from the Barn. Thank you.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:26 am to
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Wins over ranked teams is a more appropriate evaluation of relative teams' strength. Georgia enjoyed dominating wins over #21 Tennessee, #11 Ole Miss, #9 Missouri, and lost by a FG to #4 Alabama. That is a more impressive resume than - as evidenced above - any team currently in the playoffs other than Alabama.


I don't disagree, but Michigan's 3 best wins (vs #7 Ohio State, @ #10 Penn St, N #17 Iowa) are "better" than Georgia's 2 best wins (vs #9 Mizzou, vs #11 Ole Miss, @ #21 Tennessee). So it kind of washes out, there. Then you throw in that Michigan is undefeated and Georgia isn't plus Michigan won the B1G and Georgia didn't win the SEC, and you can see where they fell the way they fell.

Comparatively, Alabama's 3 best wins (#6 UGA, #11 Ole Miss, #13 LSU) are much better than FSU's 3 best wins (#13 LSU, #15 Louisville, #22 Clemson), and like Georgia, Alabama's only loss is to a playoff team, while FSU didn't play a team in the Top 12 all season.

quote:

The fact that #8 Alabama was only granted a spot (and thus moved up four ranks) due to its victory over the #1 team proves that Georgia is indeed a playoff team. How else can one justify Alabama's rank advancement?


Rank advancement is irrelevant as the committee re-ranks the entire Top 25 from scratch each week. Can you argue that their previous rankings were silly? Obviously. Alabama and Texas being behind Oregon was always egregious based on the facts on the ground (not to mention Ohio State).



Long story short, I'm not saying I agree with them, but there is a reasonable argument for why Michigan is in and Georgia isn't.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 10:29 am
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