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Kevin Steele...I know Pete Golding was bad but he can't be this bad

Posted on 10/24/23 at 1:46 am
Posted by TommyM
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 1:46 am
I can't square the guy who got run off the field at home by MTSU, was average at best with NFL talent at LSU, and who famously gave up 70 points in a bowl game having dominant defenses at Auburn and now Alabama. I know Pete Golding was bad but he can't be this bad. Maybe there's some truth to the rumor Lane was spreading about someone else calling the plays. But can he stop Jayden Daniels? I doubt it, though if he can I will officially take back all the bad things I've said about him.
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 10:00 am
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 2:38 am to
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I can't square the guy who got run off the field at home by MTSU, was average at best with NFL talent at LSU, and who famously gave up 70 points in a bowl game having dominant defenses at Auburn and now Alabama. I know Pete Golding was bad but he can't be this bad. Maybe there's some truth to the rumor Lane was spreading about someone else calling the plays. But can he stop Jayden Daniels? I doubt it, though if he can I will officially take back all the bad things I've said about him.



This is Nick Saban we are talking about that is running the Alabama football team. All those other HCs weren't very good to get it done. Steele is doing what Nick Sabans wants him to do. Yes, Steele had a slow start, but it was Nick Saban that pulled him out of trouble.
I see what Drinkwitz have done. He had to get rid on the DC and got lucky to get the fired former Miami DC. Plus, he did go to LSU as a linebacker coach for one year. Drinkwitz hired an OC for the first time and got lucky and it took about 5 games to get the offense going. Nick is the master of getting much out of any assistants.
Posted by TeddyWestside
Georgia
Member since Jul 2017
2872 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:54 am to
I don't really have much to add except that it was weird how Kevin Steele's elite defenses at Auburn was what kept Gus going for a few years.

For a supposed "offensive guru," Auburn's last few years of decent teams under Gus were due to an elite defense with elite talent on the defensive line and in the defensive backfield paired with mediocre offenses that only got going when Kerryon toted the rock forty times a game, like Pat Dye style football.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
14010 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:57 am to
Have you thought about the possibility that for like 8 years, Alabama just had more talent than else on that side of the ball. Over the last 4 years or so, that talent gap is shrinking. It isn't play calling issue, but a talent issue.
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 8:57 am
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:01 am to
Kevin Steele
Posted by LSUstephen17
Houston
Member since Aug 2010
13112 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:02 am to
Both of Sabans coordinators are trash
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:03 am to
Kevin Steele
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:04 am to
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:05 am to
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It isn't play calling issue, but a talent issue.

Pete Golding had most of the same defensive players that Alabama has this year on his defense last year. He didn’t have them playing as well as they are playing now. Particularly in big time moments when a stop was needed.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:05 am to
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Both of Sabans coordinators are trash

Your grammar is trash.
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40857 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:09 am to
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Pete Golding was bad but he can't be this bad


Guy can talk it up, but has zero feel for playcalling. He is really that bad.

Plus he was in the ILB coach the time he was there. Amazing the difference at LB since he left. He must know his shite, but he has no ability to teach the guys
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:11 am to
Steele was an effective DC for us back in 2008 and has been an effective DC at most of his stops. As a HC he reached his Level of Incompetence, of course, but as a DC he is a solid, if kind of uninspiring, hire. I've been extremely pleased with the way the defense looks this year compared to Golding's "efforts."
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9424 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:14 am to
Steele is competent and Golding isn't. Golding couldn't put a competent defense together at Bama during his entire tenure even though the defense was full of future NFL players. Golding is a terrible coach. Saban is at fault for keeping an underperforming DC for 4 seasons.
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 9:18 am
Posted by skipjackbama
Member since Apr 2023
1502 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:17 am to
Steele has been a huge upgrade from Wild Turkey Golding in alot of areas. The best might be in 2022 the D had 34 penalties called on them. After the UTjr game they have had 10 all season
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
14010 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:18 am to
2022 - 9th Nationally
2021 - 18th Nationally
2020 - 13th Nationally
2019 - 13th Nationally
2018 - 12th Nationally

2023 - 15th Nationally

Team Defense Stats
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 9:19 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:19 am to
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I can't square the guy who got run off the field at home by MTSU, was average at best with NFL talent at LSU, and who famously gave up 70 points in a bowl game having dominant defenses at Auburn and now Alabama. I know Pete Golding was bad but he can't be this bad. Maybe there's some truth to the rumor Lane was spreading about someone else calling the plays. But can he stop Jayden Daniels? I doubt it, though if he can I will officially take back all the bad things I've said about him.


It's pretty simple. Kevin Steele runs a defense and teaches it in a way that allows players to play fast and without thinking. He puts them in good spots and has a pretty good sense of when to bring guys and when to lay back.

However, he is not some X's and O's whiz and he's not going to invent some wonky scheme week to week that surprises opponents. Therefore, he's a really, really good DC for a talented roster and a pretty average one for rosters where you need to trick teams or overcompensate for lack of talent.

Almost all of the improvement on the defensive side of the ball comes down to fundamental improvement and guys never being confused about their responsibility, which leads to them playing faster and not making nearly as many mistakes. The other improvement is the fact that Bala seems to be a pretty good ILB coach and Pete's biggest fault was that he was a very bad ILB coach. The difference in consistent play at ILB this season is night and day.
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 9:22 am
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9424 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:23 am to
Now run those stats when Bama under Golding played offenses with a pulse. Those stats don't mean shite when good OCs regularly outclassed Golding. Denbrock, Heupel and Sark (before Ewers got hurt) schooled Golding last season.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44843 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:24 am to
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For a supposed "offensive guru," Auburn's last few years of decent teams under Gus were due to an elite defense with elite talent on the defensive line and in the defensive backfield paired with mediocre offenses that only got going when Kerryon toted the rock forty times a game, like Pat Dye style football.


Gus's offensive wizardry disappeared when refs started emphasizing the illegal man downfield rule. His offense was largely based on exploiting the lax enforcement of that rule because defensive players are trained to expect a run play when they see linemen fire off the ball like that.

As for Kevin Steele, I too am amazed that his defenses at Auburn were good considering his defenses at Clemson sucked and considering he committed a Cristobal-esque gaffe in his first game as Baylor HC.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:25 am to
Golding's problem was never overall stats. Most games the defense played very well. But he was always good for at least one game a year where his D would be absolutely obliterated (see: 2020 Ole Miss, 2021 Texas A&M, 2022 Tennessee, 2022 LSU, and go ahead and dump 2023 LSU in there too) and he would have no idea what to do to stop it. With Steele we have at least (so far) avoided that. We've been consistently very good. Not great, but very good. I'll take consistency over "randomly forget how to coach for a game or two" all day long.
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
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Member since Jun 2016
10052 posts
Posted on 10/24/23 at 9:25 am to
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I know Pete Golding was bad but he can't be this bad.

Yes, he was.
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