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re: Jaden Rashada sues Billy Napier, Florida booster over NIL deal

Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:48 am to
Posted by jonnyanony
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:48 am to
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He wasn't paid by Miami, he ended the contract before he was due to be paid due to a promise of more pay from UF.

He also wasn't paid by UF, even though UF didn't end the contract until the day after he was due to be paid.


Neither Miami nor UF would pay and neither were party to the contract. That distinction is important, and there's a very telling reason he isn't suing the actual parties to the contract(s).

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He was also promised to be paid the day after signing day by Napier and Hatchcock.


That's his claim, but he has no evidence of this other than "they said!" They aren't party to the contract, and the contract was cancelled within legal terms. He's going this route because he doesn't have a valid contractual complaint. He wants UF to give him money to make this PR go away.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:50 am to
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Why didn't he file this suit when at Arizona State?


This was in the works when he was there.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:14 am to
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That's his claim, but he has no evidence of this other than "they said!" They aren't party to the contract, and the contract was cancelled within legal terms.


So what's your explanation as to why he signed with UF despite UF cancelling his deal, then withdrawing from UF after signing day?

Is your belief that he was just stupidly thinking he'd still get paid even though nobody told him he would?

Or do you think it's more reasonable that someone was telling him he'd get the money still and he left UF after finding out that money wasn't coming?

To me the latter seems to fit what actually happened. I can't think of any reason he'd sign with UF and then immediately leave unless there was a promise made that wasn't fulfilled. It's not like he just "loved UF so much he signed with no money", because if that were the case he'd have stayed at UF.

Basically what the UF defender argument seems to be is that he was lied to but he can't prove it so screw the kid. That seems to be what Napier, Hathcock and company are doing as well.

UF rightly looks like a bunch of jackasses screwing over a recruit in this scenario. It's tough to see any situation where that wouldn't be what happened. They might get away with it without paying him, but it doesn't change what they did.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:23 am to
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So what's your explanation as to why he signed with UF despite UF cancelling his deal, then withdrawing from UF after signing day?

Is your belief that he was just stupidly thinking he'd still get paid even though nobody told him he would?


Again, UF did not cancel any deal. A collective did. He didn't sue that collective.

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Or do you think it's more reasonable that someone was telling him he'd get the money still and he left UF after finding out that money wasn't coming?


Why isn't he suing the collective if these were the terms? That would be very cut-and-dry. The contract says "if I sign with UF, I'll get the money" then he has a clearcut claim.

Instead he's suing a third party for interference with circumstantial evidence only. He knows this claim holds no water, and just wants some cash to go away.
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:35 am to
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Why isn't he suing the collective if these were the terms? That would be very cut-and-dry. The contract says "if I sign with UF, I'll get the money" then he has a clearcut claim.

Instead he's suing a third party for interference with circumstantial evidence only. He knows this claim holds no water, and just wants some cash to go away.


He's not suing the collective because they were within their rights to cancel the contract (I'm assuming they had some sort of grace period written into their deal to be okay with not paying the first payment due even though they cancelled the deal after the first payment was due).

He's suing those who told him he'd still get the money despite the deal being cancelled, which were Napier, Hatchock and Castro-Walker. They were telling him to not look elsewhere and that he'd still get the money from the cancelled deal, just coming from another source (based around Hathcock). He was promised to have a million dollars wired to him just after signing day as the first installment.

Was he stupid for believing those three? Yeah, in retrospect he was dumb in trusting them. But the lawsuit that has currently been filed is against them for committing fraud, which prevented him from getting a NIL deal with another school because he stuck to his UF commitment because he believed they'd live up to paying him based on the original deal

The reason why it's all three rather than just Hathcock is that Napier and Castro-Walker kept telling him that Hathcock was trustworthy and would definitely pay him. It took all three working together with their lies to convince him not to go back and try to get his original deal with Miami.

The tortious interference is that their fraud, both about the initial NIL deal that was cancelled (which Hathcock had his hands in) and the promises of him still getting paid after the UF NIL deal was cancelled caused him to be unable to get the 9.5 million dollar contract with Miami. Their promises of higher pay without delivering caused him to miss out on a nearly 10 million dollar deal in hand (that he had already signed). Their fraud through their NIL deal and subsequent cancelling but sitll promising him to pay caused HIM to breach the Miami contract.

The link below does a pretty good job detailing what's happening.

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some exerpts:

"Hathcock (on behalf of himself and Velocity Automotive), Castro-Walker and Coach Napier orchestrated and executed a fraud upon Jaden and were substantially and knowingly assisted by one another in carrying out the fraud," the lawsuit says. "Each of their individual schemes would not have succeeded without assistance from one another."

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At the crux of the argument are the actions of Napier, Hathcock and his company, Velocity Automotive, as well as Castro-Walker convincing Rashada to eschew a previously agreed upon $9.5 million NIL deal to attend Miami in favor of Florida. Rashada committed to play football at Miami in June 2022 under the terms of that deal, but the lawsuit alleges that Florida employees and boosters never backed off in their pursuit of the talented Pittsburg, California, product. It includes allegations that Hathcock told Rashada, "whatever Jaden needed to come to UF, Hathcock would make happen."

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To sway Rashada's decision, Hathcock and Castro-Walker offered the $13.85 million deal with $5.35 million, including a $500,000 signing bonus, to come through Hathcock's Velocity Automotive company and the rest through Gator Guard, the NIL collective that he started. Hathcock had previously committed to donating $12.6 million to the Gator Boosters, and early media reports stated the Gator Guard raised $5 million in its first 24 hours.

Before the deal was finalized, however, Hathcock informed Rashada's representatives that he no longer wanted to route the NIL payments through his company because he planned to sell it, according to the lawsuit. Instead, he and Castro-Walker proposed money coming directly from Hathcock and the rest coming through the Gator Collective, Florida's other NIL collective. That involved Eddie Rojas, CEO of Gator Collective, who allegedly texted Zager about the impending deal: "Tell Jaden we look forward to setting him up for life. Need to set up his brokerage accounts asap. Dude is rich and we just got started." The deal was officially signed on Nov. 10, 2022, with the first $500,000 payment due to Rashada on Dec. 5.

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Instead, a day after the $500,000 payment was due, the Gator Collective sent Rashada a termination letter of the $13.85 million deal. Still, the lawsuit claims Napier and Castro-Walker went to great lengths to convince Rashada that they would make good on the promised money even without the contract. Castro-Walker told Rashada's agents that the Gator Guard would now take on paying the deal and that "Hathcock, through the Gator Guard, would personally guarantee the $13.85 million obligation himself."

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It all came to a head on Dec. 21, the first day of the early signing period, where Napier allegedly personally vouched to Rashada that Florida alumni "were good on their promise that Jaden would receive $1 million if he signed with UF on National Signing Day" and that Hathcock would make the payment. Harlen Rashada later texted Zager, "Coach Napier said [Hathcock's] on a plane and that he will wire 1 Mil. He wants the paper work and I'm sending it if you are good."

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Hardin told CBS Sports that Napier never should have been making those promises, which, at the time, were also against NCAA rules. "That's not a role he should have been involved in, he shouldn't have made those promises and he should have stayed out of that whole area," Hardin said. "He didn't."

Less than a month later after early signing day, Rashada asked for his release from his letter of intent with Florida. He ultimately decided on Arizona State, his father's alma mater, where he wasn't promised any NIL compensation.

Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:40 am to
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He's not suing the collective because they were within their rights to cancel the contract


Exactly. The contract was executed and cancelled in a wholly legal way.

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He's suing those who told him he'd still get the money despite the deal being cancelled, which were Napier, Hatchock and Castro-Walker. They were telling him to not look elsewhere and that he'd still get the money from the cancelled deal, just coming from another source (based around Hathcock). He was promised to have a million dollars wired to him just after signing day as the first installment.


That's his claim, correct.

Unfortunately he has no evidence of it happening. It's not a winning case, even if it did happen. His team knows this. They have no intention of taking it to court, they want a "go away" mediation + settlement.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:43 am to
Kid and his family are everything wrong with CFB
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 11:45 am to
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Kid and his family are everything wrong with CFB


He's not alone. This is most top-flight recruits. The difference is the other guys get some financial advisor help to make sure the contracts work like they expect and make smart decisions with paper trails.

Rashada was just out shopping wildly and it bit him.
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:21 am to
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That's his claim, correct.

Unfortunately he has no evidence of it happening. It's not a winning case, even if it did happen. His team knows this. They have no intention of taking it to court, they want a "go away" mediation + settlement.


The reality is that everyone is going to believe it did happen as described. There's no reason why he would have acted the way he did unless he was being told some sort of story to convince him to sign with UF.

I don't think you even believe that he wasn't being told by someone connected to UF (either as a booster or in a more official capacity) that he was going to be getting the money he'd been promised. Because nobody else can come up with an alternative reason other than "he was lied to" to explain why he signed with UF after his deal was cancelled... but then left after signing day when no money came.

Hathcock, Napier and/or Castro-Walker lied to Rashada to get him to decommit from Miami (where he had apparently signed a deal worth 9.5 million by promising him a deal worth 13.5 million.

That was a lie as shown by the fact the 13.5 million dollar deal was cancelled.

Then they lied to him by telling him that Hathcock would make sure he still got the money if he signed with UF They promised him a million dollars once he signed as a "bonus".

That was a lie as shown by the fact that after he signed with UF, he didn't get the promised million dollar bonus.

In the end he signed with ASU with no NIL money promised ahead of time. The fact he didn't have a 9.5 million deal from Miami or a 13.5 million dollar deal was that UF representatives and boosters lied to him.

So while you might be right in that those 3 who were affiliated with UF might get away without penalty, nobody is going to believe that they weren't fricking Rashada over to keep him from signing with Miami once they decided not to pay him. And that is scummy as hell on their part.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10337 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 11:00 am to
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The reality is that everyone is going to believe it did happen as described.


Without actual evidence? No.

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There's no reason why he would have acted the way he did unless he was being told some sort of story to convince him to sign with UF.


He had an offer contingent on signing with UF that only he signed. That offer was subsequently revoked. We don't know why, but we know it was legal to do this and the contract was never executed.

Important life lesson: contracts signed by all parties are all that matters. He shopped around a lot and didn't make smart business decisions.

In the mean time, he has taken a pretty surefire method to extract money: create a PR problem for somebody and hope they pay him to make it go away.

Motivations are pretty clear.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4648 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 2:19 pm to
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He had an offer contingent on signing with UF that only he signed. That offer was subsequently revoked. We don't know why, but we know it was legal to do this and the contract was never executed.


We do know what he tells us he was told.

According to him:

1 - Hathcock was originally going to pay him the money through his company. Castro-Walker was involved in the process of setting this up.

2 - Hathcock then said he was selling his company, so it would instead be in part paid directly from Hathcock and in part from the "Gator Collective". Castro-Walker was involved in the process of setting this up. This offer was signed by both him and the Gator Collective, but had a clause that allowed for termination up until some point before signing day which the Gator collective invoked. (the belief is this happened because Hathcock wouldn't give them the part of the money he promised.

3 - The Gator Collective cancelled the deal, but Hathcock claimed that he and his collective, the "Gator Guard" would pay the 13.5 million, starting with a 1 million dollar bonus after signing day. Castro-Walker AND Napier both worked to convince Rashada to believe Hathcock.


The big liar here is Hatchcock. He kept telling Rashada from when he was committed to Miami, through when he eventually left UF that he was going to make him a millionare and he was lying out his arse.

Castro-Walker was backing Hathcock up the whole time, making him seem legitimate when he should have been distancing UF from Hathcock.

Napier only came in at the end, telling Rashada to trust Hathcock to pay in order to get Rashada to sign. He's the "smallest liar". He may have been hoodwinked by Hathcock as well so he is the least likely to be held liable.

Everyone who's not a UF fan is going to believe Rashada on this. They may say "serves him right" or "he should have known better", but the reality is that a UF booster who runs one of their collectives (Hathcock), UF's then Director of Player Engagement and NIL (Castro-Walker) and UF's head coach (Napier) all kept telling him to believe in them that they'd get him millions, and they lied.

Yes, most rational adults know that Florida lies and cheats. But Rashada trusted them and they fricked him over.

Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10337 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:50 pm to
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We do know what he tells us he was told.


Again, this is the problem. He has absolutely nothing to show a judge or jury in a civil trial. His team knows this isn't winnable. He wants money to go away.

Next time, get a contract, both parties sign, and it's solid. Life lesson. But I have a feeling this won't be his last fishing expedition. Probably should focus more on football.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10337 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:52 pm to
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Everyone who's not a UF fan is going to believe Rashada on this.


I really don't think so.

They might think it's plausible, but they're not going to just trust a kid who was going down every possible avenue to get paid (and is continuing to do so) without ... any demonstrable evidence.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4648 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:00 pm to
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Again, this is the problem. He has absolutely nothing to show a judge or jury in a civil trial. His team knows this isn't winnable. He wants money to go away.

Next time, get a contract, both parties sign, and it's solid. Life lesson. But I have a feeling this won't be his last fishing expedition. Probably should focus more on football.


What you're talking about is what the lawyers can prove.

What I'm talking about is what any reasonable person thinks looking at the information available, not what the courts will decide.

Any reasonable person believes he was lied to at least by Hathcock and likely by the others mentioned in the suit (Castro-Walker and Napier) in order to get him to switch from Miami and in order to keep him as a commitment until after signing day at UF.

Because of those lies, he lost the potential to earn a lot of money? Can he win in court? Who knows. But based on your phrasing, even you believe that's what happened.

Or do you think he was NOT promised 13.85 million if he decommitted from Miami and went to UF instead? I get you believe UF is fine legally for backing out from the deal, but do you think the promise was made?

And for what reason did he still sign with UF once they cancelled the deal if it was NOT because of lies from someone he felt could be trusted about the money? I'm not asking if he can prove it or not... but do you have an alternative explanation on why he still signed with UF if it wasn't due to promises of payment? A reason that makes sense given he ended up leaving UF after signing day (because he wasn't paid in his explanation of why)?

You're saying nobody connected to UF would be liable. Heck, court cases are funny, you could very well be right.

I'm saying that regardless of what happens, they did lie to the kid to get him away from Miami and to take away his chance to get back into Miami's class once they weren't paying him.

And that's scummy behavior. In my mind, people doing that shite should be forced to pay something for their bad faith actions.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:06 pm to
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I really don't think so.

They might think it's plausible, but they're not going to just trust a kid who was going down every possible avenue to get paid (and is continuing to do so) without ... any demonstrable evidence.


For me to not buy his story, you have to give me an alternative story that explains what happened.

It was kind of the same thing for me with covid. In a normal year the number of deaths increases from 10,000 to 50,000 from the prior year in the US. This is simply a count of the number of people who died.

In the first year of Covid, it went up nearly 500,000 from the prior year. I'm open to the idea it wasn't covid, but you have to give me some alternative explanation for why an additional half million people died. Until you give me a viable alternative reason for the increase in deaths, I'm going to accept the one I've given.

So I'll ask again... what alternative story is there for Rashada leaving Miami for UF, then staying with UF after his deal was cancelled, then leaving UF after signing day if it isn't the story he presented?

So far the only story we have is "he was lied to by Hathcock, Napier and Castro-Walker". If you aren't going to give us another story that fits what happened, why do you think anyone wouldn't believe Rashada's story?
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
11222 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:08 pm to
Get some of these UF folks on the stand and under oath. We might learn a lot
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30314 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:48 pm to
The kid and his family were seeking the highest bidder, they want the $$, period. The kid isn't worth anywhere close to those early Miami/UF NIL offers and went to Arizona for nothin. Wonder what UGA's NIL Collective is paying him for his "services?"
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10337 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 5:03 pm to
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For me to not buy his story, you have to give me an alternative story that explains what happened.


He chased money from various entities, the Rashadas tried to play the offers against each other. The strategy failed, they never got a signed contract, and the parties bailed.

That was easy. And if you watched his recruiting timeline it's pretty apparent.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10337 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 5:05 pm to
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What you're talking about is what the lawyers can prove.


The lawyers have no intention of proving anything. This is a nuisance suit, the point is to get 'go away' money. That's all this is.
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