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re: Is Heupels offense sustainable?
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:43 pm to LouisvilleKat
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:43 pm to LouisvilleKat
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Milton for Heisman 2023!
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- accurate deep arm
Does not compute
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:00 pm to Tennessee Jed
Other than the QB, his top 10 recruiting class is loaded with big time defensive talent. I’d worry about him getting a good defense.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:16 pm to Draino54
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I’d worry about him getting a good defense.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:23 pm to themicah85
I doubt UT will ever lose another game again.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:47 pm to themicah85
He is a good offensive coach so that won’t change as long as he is there… but any system is only as good as it’s players. See another OC/HC type like Spurrier. When he had QBs that understood and executed the fun and gun was a machine, it could be pedestrian when the pieces where not in place.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:23 pm to Tigerpride18
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I don’t think you can run it with a good qb with a weak arm. If that tells you anything
Look at Ole Miss! LSU defense is much better. I think LSU shall win this Saturday over Ole Miss because LSU defense is a lot better. The better offense leans a little to Ole Miss. I do think Ole Miss offense will take a huge hit this Saturday. The game is at LSU.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:26 pm to themicah85
I think it will statistically always be good.
but in years with less talent it will have issues with the better defenses
Its is built on the same principles as the old Briles offenses at Baylor. Super fast tempo. Super wide spread WR to force Defenders to defend every inch of grass Lots of presnap reads and quick 1-2 read passes after the ball is snapped.
it works, but it is also simple so when you play a talented defense who can run with your WRs and get to your QB you can also get smoked.
but in years with less talent it will have issues with the better defenses
Its is built on the same principles as the old Briles offenses at Baylor. Super fast tempo. Super wide spread WR to force Defenders to defend every inch of grass Lots of presnap reads and quick 1-2 read passes after the ball is snapped.
it works, but it is also simple so when you play a talented defense who can run with your WRs and get to your QB you can also get smoked.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:17 am to themicah85
Didn’t they lose to Purdue just last bowl season? Who was HC and QB?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 4:36 am to DawginSC
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Sure there is. Having a DB who's fast enough to not let the receiver behind them.
Wrong. If your coach can't create a scheme to match it, it won't make a difference how fast your DB is.
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I think it will statistically always be good.
but in years with less talent it will have issues with the better defenses
Yep, lack of talent and depth is what kills this scheme. Which is why it's so awesome that Tennessee has endless NIL money and just had mega exposure due to the Gump win.
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Didn’t they lose to Purdue just last bowl season? Who was HC and QB?
The same. But with no depth and an even worse defense. Everyone dragging arse by the third quarter. Heck, we lost lots of games last year.
But once Heupel gets four and five stars across the field (next year most likely) and even more depth (hello portal and endless NIL money), Tennessee will be unstoppable.
This year is everyone's last chance to beat him. Good luck.
Gumps already screwed the pooch on that one, though. Missed their window. We'll see if UGAy is up to the task (they most likely are, but Tennessee has a puncher's chance).
But Kentucky and all the other scrubs don't have a prayer in Hell.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 4:47 am
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:05 am to themicah85
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Is Heupels offense sustainable?
It all depends on what your definition of sustainable is but the short answer is yes it's sustainable. You must accept there will be a fair amount of 3 & outs using only 30 seconds but when it's clicking at 60% or better, it's good.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:15 am to themicah85
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Seems more sustaonable than gus's to me as a very biased observer.
Gus ran the hurry-up no huddle, but his offense was slightly different. Gus's offense was based on the Wing-T and most of his throws were off play-action. Gus said numerous times "We are a run, play action team." Gus also used the zone read quite a bit and ran RPO's out of it.
Gus rarely threw to the middle of the field and most of his pass routes were pretty simple. Gus loved the wheel route as well as screens. Most of his other passes were to the sidelines (out routes and simple go routes).
Gus's offense was run first and I'd say he was about 70% run, 30% pass (maybe 60/40 some seasons). This is in line with Heupel who runs the ball 60% of the time (I just checked UT's stats).
People say Gus got "figured out" and it's true his offense lost potency over time. But I think it was because he lost Nick Marshall more than it was being "figured out." Marshall was a dynamic runner (very fast) and Gus was able to open the offense up a lot more with him back there. Marshall could be running full speed and suddenly throw a dart. He caught Bama with this for a TD in 2013.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:20 am to AUstar
You sound like you miss Gus 
Posted on 10/22/22 at 7:11 am to LunaFreak
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Wrong. If your coach can't create a scheme to match it, it won't make a difference how fast your DB is.
If you'll note, the quote I was responding to said that any offense with a qb who could throw it over the defenses head could not be stopped.
The reality is that fast enough DB's who don't let you do that stop that particular attack.
It wasn't about UT in particular.
The truth is every offense can be stopped... it just requires the right players and things often move cyclically as offenses change and defenses adjust.
One of the things that hurry up offenses try to do is to not allow defenses to substitute players by having offensive players that can be used in different ways to attack a defense. Say a TE wo can both run block and steamroll people and split out wide and stretch a team downfield. This allows the offense to get the defense in say... a run stopping set, then split guys out and expose their weakness.
Defenses adjust to that by having to recruit versatile defenders who can handle those switches. This means you go for LB's who may not be as big as those in the past who could focus on being run stoppers, but do a decent job there but can also run with the fast athletic TE's in coverage.
This is why guys like Alec Ogletree and Thomas Davis for UGA went from safety to LB in their careers. A needed defensive adjustment given what offenses were doing.
What Heupel does is spread the defense out to try to force man to man defense. Then they generally can find a matchup to exploit and they hurry up to prevent substitutions so they can exploit it repeatedly. If the defense drops two safeties, they run it up the gut which is generally vulnerable due the spread forcing defenders out wide.
The counter to this isn't complicated. It's having enough DB's who can defend the receivers well enough in man to man, and to have a run defenders with great closing speed to not allow the run game to work even with only 5 or 6 in the box.
Fast LB's help... but the main thing is having those safeties that can close from a deeper set fast to help stop the run without being in the box and to have CB's that can man up well with receivers.
And that's what Kirby has been focusing on with recruiting for the last 5 years. UGA has guys like Malaki Starks and Chris Smith at safety who are great in coverage and close in on running plays so fast they are second and fourth on the team in tackle to go with great man to man CB's on the outside.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:33 am to themicah85
The right QB is everything.. Even if you have a basic coordinator
But before we get carried away UT has struggled to win games as well ...so good O but needs D work
and the inevitable.. If it can't be shut down ( sustainable) then it will be replicated
But before we get carried away UT has struggled to win games as well ...so good O but needs D work
and the inevitable.. If it can't be shut down ( sustainable) then it will be replicated
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:35 am to DawginSC
Up vote for sentance structure, not much of that on here, but yeah no TLDR. 
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:40 am to David Ricky
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The ideal scenario is Milton becomes an awesome bridge for one season between Hooker and young Nico Iamaleava. Obviously a big if but if above happens and we hit on Nico, VOLS could be looking at a ridiculous run of elite quarterback play with this offense
This really sums it up at QB, it looks like the receivers are coming also.
I wish the big guys in the trenches on both sides were getting more love, they are what have made this season go so far.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 9:26 am to themicah85
He can run it, sure. (If that is what you mean by sustainable) Defenses typically catch up to any offense, though, so if he can evolve the offense he can maintain success. If he allows it to stagnate, then teams will catch up to it.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 9:36 am to VADawg
Remember
..next year will be Joe Milton's third year in Heupel's offense.
Don't be surprised is he is another breakout Heisman candidate like Hooker is this year. He has looked extremely fluid and comfortable in his limited action this year so far.
..next year will be Joe Milton's third year in Heupel's offense.
Don't be surprised is he is another breakout Heisman candidate like Hooker is this year. He has looked extremely fluid and comfortable in his limited action this year so far.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 9:43 am to Tennessee Jed
quote:Every type of offense you could think up has been done before somewhere.
Yes, if anything you’re going to start seeing other SEC teams adopt some of his tendencies.
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