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re: Is Arkansas's basketball history overrated?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:20 pm to Golfer1
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:20 pm to Golfer1
Maybe if Frank had given him the respect that he deserved then maybe his exit would go much smoothly. But when his daughter passed away and Frank coming off as uncaring then it became personal and no longer business for Nolan.
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:42 pm to Scoper
Quite a few final four appearances as well.
1941, 1945, 1978, 1990, 1994, and 1995
*BOLD indicates these were before posters here were born so they didn't happen.
1941, 1945, 1978, 1990, 1994, and 1995
*BOLD indicates these were before posters here were born so they didn't happen.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:53 pm to PorkerDaddy
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ok put up utenns or lsu and lets look at them.
Not to instigate, but I don't think he said anything about comparing it to other SEC schools.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:59 pm to theenemy
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No way a regular season champ is on the same rung as a final four....that is ridiculous
Regular season champ is below an Elite 8 appearance.
It's all about perspective. If you play in a 1 team league or 2 team league then maybe. However, the old Big East Champs used to talk about it being more prestigious than a Natty. The reason being is you had to beat more good teams to win the regular season title than the actual national title.
Last year arkie made the Elite 8 by beating Utah State, an 18-11 Texas Tech team and Ohio State...if you want to argue that is more impressive or harder than winning the SEC like bama did last season. Have at it, but it isn't.
I'd put a Final Four slightly above a regular season SEC title right now. Although it is considerably easier to make the Final Four than win the SEC regular season title. Last year is a wonderful example...the Zags road. In the tournament, they defeated No. 16 seed Norfolk State and No. 8 seed Oklahoma and then defeated No. 5 seed Creighton and No. 6 seed USC to move to the Final Four. bama's regular season title was much harder earned, the prestige of the Final Four is the only thing that would slightly weight it in favor of the current SEC title.
The SEC has had periods where its regular season title wasn't that impressive but we ain't in that period right now. Heck, I bet the run to the SEC tourney title will be harder than 2 of the 4 Final Four team runs this year.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:04 pm to Scoper
All I know is I really enjoyed watching the Arkansas-Memphis games in the early 90's when they were still playing in the Coliseum in Memphis. I'd love to see that series make a comeback.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:15 pm to Golfer1
No it wasn't. It said right in his book 40 minutes of hell that Frank wanted him fired for years. The only reason he couldn't do it is because Nolan had friends at the right positions at Arkansas.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:20 pm to Tigerman97
You know how I know you are new to basketball Tigerman?
I’d say a sweet 16 is better than any conference title. You had the easiest conference schedule of any of the top 4 teams.
Making a sweet 16 is better than a conference title. Making an Elite 8 is 100% better than any conference title.
There are 4 good teams in this conference this year. There are 45+ good teams in the NCAA tournament
I’d say a sweet 16 is better than any conference title. You had the easiest conference schedule of any of the top 4 teams.
Making a sweet 16 is better than a conference title. Making an Elite 8 is 100% better than any conference title.
There are 4 good teams in this conference this year. There are 45+ good teams in the NCAA tournament
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:22 pm to Golfer1
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I’d say a sweet 16 is better than any conference title. You had the easiest conference schedule of any of the top 4 teams.
I referenced 80's Big East mindset but I'm new to Basketball...tell me more?
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Making a sweet 16 is better than a conference title. Making an Elite 8 is 100% better than any conference title.
There are 4 good teams in this conference this year. There are 45+ good teams in the NCAA tournament
You can keep saying it, but the information doesn't support your thoughts. The prestige of the tournament does carry weight but it isn't harder or better than a conference title at certain levels which has already been explained.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:31 pm to Tigerman97
Let me rephrase it for you. Making a sweet 16 is better than ever winning the SEC.
Last year there was 2 teams that made the sweet 16 from the SEC. 1 made the Elite 8. That better for you? Again, we have 4 good teams this year with a chance to make the sweet 16 or Elite 8.
SEC never has enough great teams nor has it ever for the reg season champ even been close to being a better achievement than a sweet 16 much less an Elite 8.
Please find any link where former big east teams said winning the big east was better than winning the NC. I’ll be waiting…..
Last year there was 2 teams that made the sweet 16 from the SEC. 1 made the Elite 8. That better for you? Again, we have 4 good teams this year with a chance to make the sweet 16 or Elite 8.
SEC never has enough great teams nor has it ever for the reg season champ even been close to being a better achievement than a sweet 16 much less an Elite 8.
Please find any link where former big east teams said winning the big east was better than winning the NC. I’ll be waiting…..
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:35 pm to Tigerman97
Which one would you pick? A conference title and get bounced in the first round or a Sweet Sixteen appearance?
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:38 pm to dchog
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Which one would you pick? A conference title and get bounced in the first round or a Sweet Sixteen appearance?
I would have rather seen Alabama make the Sweet 16 last year
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:40 pm to Clark14
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How about you…
8 trips
3 sweet 16s
1 final 4
LSU is pretty much the same, slightly better.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:48 pm to Golfer1
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Making a sweet 16 is better than ever winning the SEC.
It isn't. It certainly doesn't have lasting impact on a program.
Saying it doesn't make it true. How old are you? Seems like you have a short term perspective of success.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:49 pm to dchog
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A conference title and get bounced in the first round or a Sweet Sixteen appearance?
The conference title is of more use to a coach in recruiting. So the title. Players play in tournaments...they know the fickle nature of them.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:50 pm to Tigerman97
You are right. Tournament success has a much much bigger impact on a program. Not even close.
So what would you take.
Regular season title and bounced in first weekend or a sweet 16 with the entire US watching your tournament games?
I can promise you tournament success gets recruits attention more and you don’t have to look any further than Arkansas. Elite 8 last year and now have the #2 class with two players in the top 18 with a chance to add another top 20 player.
Were you born in 1997?
So what would you take.
Regular season title and bounced in first weekend or a sweet 16 with the entire US watching your tournament games?
I can promise you tournament success gets recruits attention more and you don’t have to look any further than Arkansas. Elite 8 last year and now have the #2 class with two players in the top 18 with a chance to add another top 20 player.
Were you born in 1997?
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:03 pm to Golfer1
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Regular season title and bounced in first weekend or a sweet 16 with the entire US watching your tournament games?
I can promise you tournament success gets recruits attention more and you don’t have to look any further than Arkansas. Elite 8 last year and now have the #2 class with two players in the top 18 with a chance to add another top 20 player.
Were you born in 1997?
How would I have watched the Big East teams in the 80's if I was born in '97?
Again, you can't promise cause you don't know. If a program strung 5 or 6 straight Sweet 16's together that'd have sway in recruiting but people forget teams that get hot every once in a while pretty quickly. The info has been presented. You opinion is both sincere and sincerely wrong.
I absolutely would take the Reg title over a Sweet 16 this season. I wouldn't take it over the Final Four, but the elite 8 in 2019 if we'd of lose wouldn't mean as much as the 2018 Reg title.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:06 pm to Tigerman97
You haven’t presented anything. There would be an article of a Big East player saying winning the conference back then was better than winning a NC but no idiot said that.
I just proved to you what an Elite 8 did for Arkansas. #2 class coming in.
You’ve proved nothing and just spewing BS
I can 100% promise you if a team wins their conference and doesn’t make the sweet 16 they consider the year a failure and don’t care about the regular season title anymore.
Again, the SEC has 4 good teams. If it had 10/14 good teams I might could agree but that’s far from the case
2/10 in the top 10 recruiting rankings won their conference last year.
6/10 of those made the sweet 16. Hmmmmmmm what seems to have done more for their program
I just proved to you what an Elite 8 did for Arkansas. #2 class coming in.
You’ve proved nothing and just spewing BS
I can 100% promise you if a team wins their conference and doesn’t make the sweet 16 they consider the year a failure and don’t care about the regular season title anymore.
Again, the SEC has 4 good teams. If it had 10/14 good teams I might could agree but that’s far from the case
2/10 in the top 10 recruiting rankings won their conference last year.
6/10 of those made the sweet 16. Hmmmmmmm what seems to have done more for their program
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:09 pm to Tigerman97
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I see what you're saying but I disagree. Look at Kansas, for example. The BigXII has been better at basketball up until this year. They have had some really good, tough teams. Bill Self alone has like 18 regular season conference titles but only 1 National Champion's during that time. If winning a title or advancing far in the tournament were that easy, a lot more coaches would have titles. Jim Boeheim has 1 at Syracuse in like 50 years. Jim Calhoun at UConn had 2 or 3 in 20 something years there. It isn't easy.
I see what you're saying but I disagree. Look at Kansas, for example. The BigXII has been better at basketball up until this year. They have had some really good, tough teams. Bill Self alone has like 18 regular season conference titles but only 1 National Champion's during that time. If winning a title or advancing far in the tournament were that easy, a lot more coaches would have titles. Jim Boeheim has 1 at Syracuse in like 50 years. Jim Calhoun at UConn had 2 or 3 in 20 something years there. It isn't easy.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:09 pm to Golfer1
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There would be an article of a Big East player saying winning the conference back then was better than winning a NC but no idiot said that.
I don't have time to look that up. I lived it. I know what they thought and believed. I am certain John Thompson said it more than once.
If you believe arkie's run is what allowed the #2 class you must be new to recruiting.
As an Auburn basketball fan I do realize I have more recent understanding of the value of each of these compared to an arkie fan. I can easily recall my feelings about sharing an SEC Reg, winning the SEC tourney, making the Sweet 16, making the Elite 8, making the Final Four and winning an SEC Reg outright.
In that regard it is easy for me to compare.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 3:11 pm to razorjm
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It isn't easy.
Agreed. Because it requires a lot of luck.
Winning a Reg Championship isn't easy in a deep league because its tough to beat good teams for 9 or 10 weeks straight.
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