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re: Is 2015 the First Year Sumlin Coaches with his Players and Not Sherman's?

Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by blacktoothgrin12
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:28 pm to
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wadewilson

Had to ruin one of the few football related non-flame threads.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:29 pm to
I expect some Ds in some As
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:36 pm to
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LSU was a has-been in '99.


LSU in 1999 had all of ONE national title that wasn't debatable and ONE Heisman winner. 2015 A&M has the same amount of program relevance as 1999 LSU by what matters to 99% of football fans- Heismans and national titles.

ANY other metric you want to use to argue that 1999 LSU was better is the kind of useless all time statistic that teams like Yale or Georgia Tech still pop on on. 1999 LSU, like 2015 A&M, was NOT a major national player and was NOT a top 10 coaching job. That is what matters.

Point being, this isn't the Indian Caste system. Things change.

Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50383 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:38 pm to
10 wins no problem. I'm thinking 10-2 (6-2) and a trip to the Sugar Bowl.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:40 pm to
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ITs do or die time


Almost. 2016 will be.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:45 pm to
LSU and A&M have, more or less, identical staff payrolls. So, you might turn the question around...how many wins does Miles need next season in order to keep LSU fans reasonably satisfied? Over the last three years, he has nearly an identical record to Sumlin; how long can be sustain that without getting fired?
Posted by Old Sarge
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:03 pm to
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LSU and A&M have, more or less, identical staff payrolls. So, you might turn the question around...how many wins does Miles need next season in order to keep LSU fans reasonably satisfied? Over the last three years, he has nearly an identical record to Sumlin; how long can be sustain that without getting fired?


Deserves it's own thread
Posted by blacktoothgrin12
Ole Piece of Loose arse
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:27 pm to
10-2 with regular season wins over Arkansas, Bama, and Auburn and a bowl win. I'd be cool with that.
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 4:34 am to
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LSU and A&M have, more or less, identical staff payrolls. So, you might turn the question around...how many wins does Miles need next season in order to keep LSU fans reasonably satisfied? Over the last three years, he has nearly an identical record to Sumlin; how long can be sustain that without getting fired?




Start a thread on this. No reason to get defensive. Aggies should know their team better than anyone else. Just trying to see what you think about the 2015 playing in the toughest CF division.

Any idea how much money A&M has spent on football since leaving the Big 12? Would love to see a comparison to the last year in the Big 12 compared to all invested on coaching, players and new football facilities.
Must be a record amount spent on any CF program in that short amount of time.

I always felt A&M's move to the SEC was good for A&M and the SEC and still do. A&M's rise has helped facilitate Texas' downward spiral. I would think Sumlin feels like the luckiest coach in CF with all the support he has received. If he can deliver a championship Sumlin will get a statue and icon status for being the savior of A&M football. 2015 seems to be an important year for Sumlin and Aggie football.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 4:42 am
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:20 am to
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9-4, 8-5 just happened, and Sumlin got 10 million dollars for it.


I didn't pay 10 million dollars for it. I also didn't pay 1.7 million for Chavis.

Why do people get up in arms about how much money we are "overpaying" our coach.

Since 1999 but before Sumlin, A&M had a couple of 9 win seasons and went like 1-8 in bowl games.

Since then the floor has been 8 wins and went 3-0 in bowl games in the toughest division in CFB. Seems to me hes doing a pretty damn good job based on A&M standards.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:51 am to
Don't forget the fact he gave us our best season since 1956.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:01 am to
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Your offense scored 19 points in loses and 48 in wins.


Well, generally teams lose more games when their offense scores 19 points, and win more games when their offense scores 48.

As for your point, in the 9 losses the last two years, A&M has scored an average of 23 points per game. That's not good, but it's not abysmal.

In those same losses, the defense has surrendered an average of 39 points a game. That is godawful.

Some losses are complete team efforts (2014 Bama game). Some games are the fault of the offense (2014 LSU). But the greater share have been on the shoulders of the defense.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:57 am to
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Sherman recruited some helluva OL player for sure


yea, and at a time that it was most definitely not cool to go to a&m. tejas was "selecting" who they wanted, Oklahoma was next at the trough and aggie was regulated to fighting tech and okie lite for the leftovers. Sherman concentrated on OL and sumlin inherited the best OL in the game, imo.

then, he wasted it by neglecting the running game. I figure sumlin will not recruit quite as well as sumlin on the offense with the big exception of skill players. he will still have his offensive limitations due to scheme. the chief will improve his defense, esp if he stays long enough. I doubt he will.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:03 am to
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chief will improve his defense, esp if he stays long enough. I doubt he will.


Why do you doubt that?

Our high expectations runs him off? Nope.
We run out of money to pay his contract? Nope.
Chief is known for bouncing from program to program every other year? Nope.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 1/21/15 at 1:30 pm to
Not a bad topic. Sumlin did neglect the running game by promoting Spav, and has realized that error. So he brought in someone to coordinate the run game and correct the problem of OL coaching.

Aggies expect positive change in the areas where we expect the coaching to improve...

We are pretty excited to see what James White can do
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