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re: Interesting comparison (imo) - 2013 Bama and 2011 LSU
Posted on 12/13/13 at 8:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 12/13/13 at 8:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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People don't seem to understand the benefits of run blocking in the first half of games - even if you're not gaining a bunch of yards. If your defense can keep the score close, opposing defense get REAL tired of defending the run by the 4th quarter. That's what happened in the first game vs Alabama. The problem was, Saban had his team ready for it in the BCSCG. LSU just could hold the ball long enough in the 1st half to hit Bama's D. The problem in the BCSCG wasn't LSU's offense, it was LSU's defense in the 1st half not giving the ball back to the run blocking offense enough. LSU allowed Bama too many 1st downs and therefore too much TOP in the 1st half to make an impact run blocking.
I don't understand how anyone could argue this point of view. The offense failed to generate first downs and take pressure off the defense. The defense held up valiantly well into the third quarter in spite of zero support from the offense.
Cross the 50 yard line on offense and then complain about the defense. Any other team in the top half of the SEC would have performed better on offense against Bama than LSU did that day.
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Posted on 12/13/13 at 8:59 pm to Crimson Legend
Not close, imagine if the game had ended with Bama winning at Auburn, then by some miracle, Auburn gets a do over in the national title, even though there is another team that won their conference with a much better resume. Yeah, that bad.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 9:08 pm to Crimson Legend
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2011 LSU and 2013 Bama -
Don't mention these two team in the same sentence. What makes you think bama is the best team this year? Their best win is a 3 loss lsu. 2011 lsu destroyed the PAC 12 and rose bowl champ, destroyed the big east and orange bowl champ and 2011destroyed the sec east champ.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 9:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
And beat the National champ at home, but who's keeping track. Amirght?
Posted on 12/13/13 at 9:33 pm to Xenophon
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There were a lot of great teams in 2011. The 3 best were in the SEC.
Who was the third?
Posted on 12/13/13 at 9:51 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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No, LSU had major problems on offense in that one. LSU had five yards on five carries in their first two series. One of those carries was a hand-off to Spencer Ware on 3rd and 10 on the second drive.
It's not about the half back in the first quarter, it's about offensive linemen crushing LBs, and receivers putting the DBs on their arse.
RUN BLOCKING. It hurts.
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On the first drive of the 4th quarter on 3rd and 4, we ran our fullback (Copeland) who had 1 carry for 0 yards the whole season. He had zero after the second carry too.
That's because we hadn't worn down the denfense in the first half.
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LSU had three offensive drives in the first quarter with 3 three-and-outs.
That doesn't matter if the defense had held Alabama to 3 3 and out drives.
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You can't wear a D down if you don't get one first down in a half.
Of course you can if your defense holds them to three and outs. That was the problem, our defense didn't do what their defense was doing - holding the opponent's offense to three and outs.
That was kind of my whole point, their offense was moving the ball in the first half just enough to keep their defense from having their asses pounded by our offense.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 9:57 pm to molsusports
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I don't understand how anyone could argue this point of view. The offense failed to generate first downs and take pressure off the defense.
That happened in several games in 2011. The difference was that the opponents' offenses didn't hold the ball very long in the first half. Therefore, our offensive got more opportunity to beat the shite out of their defense so that by the 4th qtr, their defenses were done. In the first game with Alabama the strategy worked, think about the OT when LSU's oline was starting to dominate.
Our HC was an OL. Think about his perspective on the game. He wants to run block. He wants to hit people in the mouth. He wants to lay people out so that towards the end of the game the opponent's defense has quit.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 10:01 pm to molsusports
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Oklahoma State, Stanford, USC, Oregon, and probably Boise and WVU were better teams than Arkansas that year. Arkansas was flat unable to stay on the field with LSU or Bama.
Meh. Those teams couldn't stay on the field w/ LSU and Bama that year either. The only teams in the country that could were LSU and Bama.
And lol at several of those teams that you mentioned
Posted on 12/13/13 at 10:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
For me, that season was tainted by 1/9 even with all the successes LSU had. How in the hell do you beat a 2011 Alabama type team twice in one year? I knew the odds were against us going into the title game. Miserable
Posted on 12/13/13 at 10:41 pm to TigerTerd
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Have you compared the two schedules?
Well, yeah, of course they have a tough schedule. Bama can't play ourselves, you know.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 1:24 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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No, LSU had major problems on offense in that one. LSU had five yards on five carries in their first two series. One of those carries was a hand-off to Spencer Ware on 3rd and 10 on the second drive.
It's not about the half back in the first quarter, it's about offensive linemen crushing LBs, and receivers putting the DBs on their arse.
RUN BLOCKING. It hurts.
What? A 3rd and 10 run to your RB after you've just gone three-and-out is idiotic. I like running a lot, but you can't get stupid with your play calls. Talk about wear down your own D by having them come right back on the field...
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On the first drive of the 4th quarter on 3rd and 4, we ran our fullback (Copeland) who had 1 carry for 0 yards the whole season. He had zero after the second carry too.
That's because we hadn't worn down the denfense in the first half.
So we agree that it was a stupid call that had little chance to succeed.
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LSU had three offensive drives in the first quarter with 3 three-and-outs.
That doesn't matter if the defense had held Alabama to 3 3 and out drives.
Again...what? It matters because the object is to score more points than the other team and not just depend on your defense to hold a great team down while your offense waits until the 4th quarter to hopefully wear the other team down. Hard to do that when a team is about equal in talent and has revenge on their mind...
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You can't wear a D down if you don't get one first down in a half.
Of course you can if your defense holds them to three and outs. That was the problem, our defense didn't do what their defense was doing - holding the opponent's offense to three and outs.
That was kind of my whole point, their offense was moving the ball in the first half just enough to keep their defense from having their asses pounded by our offense.
That doesn't make any sense. Our offense blew and the calls blew. It's much easier to stop a team that's running on 3rd and 10 or 3rd and 4 with a fullback that has had 1 carry the whole year.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 1:57 am to Crimson Legend
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while they are bitter about the fact they had to play us again.
I understand why the pollsters did it, but it was shitty to not vote Oklahoma State into the game. I believed they were the second best team in the country that year after us, though in hindsight, if I'd known LSU wasn't even going to show up to play, it's better to lose to Alabama than those Big 12 chumps.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 2:02 am to Crimson Legend
While I do think FSU and Bama are probably the two best teams this year, 2013 Bama isn't comparable to 2011 LSU.
LSU played one of the toughest schedules of all time and was 13-0, and then shat the bed on the biggest stage in their own state.
LSU played one of the toughest schedules of all time and was 13-0, and then shat the bed on the biggest stage in their own state.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 5:57 am to apfour21
The 2011 LSU team had arguably the greatest regular season in the history if the sport. This comparison is not remotely close.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 6:27 am to Crimson Legend
so youre comparing a team that beat every major conference champion and was forced to give you a mulligan to a bama team that played nobody?
Posted on 12/14/13 at 6:31 am to Crimson Legend
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2013 Bama
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that they were clearly the best
Uh, no you aren't
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They won every game up to their last,
Well, whose fault is that?
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and then saw everything taken away suddenly in an ending they just didn't expect to happen.
Uh, you could've prepared for that shite.
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while they are bitter about the fact they had to play us again.
LSU fans are bitter about everything
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2011 LSU and 2013 Bama - two teams that arguably could beat many of the other BCS era champions
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but will have to go down as a good team that just couldn't get it finished.
very true indeed
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