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re: If Saban ever left ,where do you think he would go?
Posted on 8/3/13 at 1:45 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/3/13 at 1:45 pm to RollTide1987
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Was he really a failure though? He took a 4-12 Miami team and went 9-7 his first year. Injuries and his failure to connect on Drew Brees cost him in 2006. The year after he left the Dolphins went 1-15.
Yes. Read my post. That 4-12 Miami team would have probably been a playoff team had they not been hungout to dry by Ricky Williams.
The Fins were worst than expected Saban's first year and he was only able to beat the worst teams in the NFL. He was outcoached weekly.
His second year, the Fins were talented enough and expected to make the playoffs. Saban was terrible and outcoached weekly again.
He then left a roster that was much older and much worse than he inherrited that was totally demoralized.
He pretty much failed in every way imaginable. WH and some of the Fins fans bought into his sermons and wanted him back, but a lot of Fins fans wanted him fired mid-season of 2006.
This post was edited on 8/3/13 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/3/13 at 1:47 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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a lot of Fins fans wanted him fired mid-season of 2006.
Then why are you still angry? It's been seven years. Let it go.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 1:55 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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WTF is this? Show me where any NFL team has made saban an offer.
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NFL clubs asking about Saban, but Alabama coach is saying no
January 1, 2013 5:15 pm ET
NFL teams that have been inquiring about Alabama coach Nick Saban in recent days and weeks have been told in no uncertain terms: thanks, but no thanks.
At least so far. Some franchises with vacancies have sent feelers toward Saban and the Alabama camp regarding his seriousness about returning to the NFL. He has told these inquirers that he isn't coming back.
The fact that NFL teams are violating protocol about contacting a college coach before the season ends isn't a surprise. The fact that teams are pursuing Saban isn't a surprise.
Though Saban has done one thing and said another before -- see Dolphins, Miami -- the fact that he's saying no so forcibly is perhaps the greatest indicator that he's serious about staying at Alabama. This is the indication after speaking to NFL teams and other football officials in recent days.
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It's unclear which teams have contacted Alabama. Several league sources say most, if not all of them, have reached out to Saban in some unofficial capacity, and Saban or his camp has been extremely clear about his intentions.
This time, by saying he's staying, Saban might actually be saying what he means.
LINK
Posted on 8/3/13 at 1:57 pm to thatguy1892
Why are we angry?
Ok, the general sentiment here is as follows (best articulated by Dan LeBatard circa late 2006/ early 2007).
Saban underachieved both years with the Fins. Additionally, he did a lot of damage to the roster through poor drafts, the Culpepper debacle (not saban's fault though), and losing key younger pieces replaced with older vets (part saban's fault, part organization's fault).
Then the real kicker was people thought he was a liar and coward. Saban (IMO) saw the writing on the wall. He would be fired the next year, possibly during the season. Fins fans were ready to fire him midway through the 2006 season. Saban knew he wouldn't be able to win with the roster he had in 2007. He quit. He bolted town. And he did it in secret in the middle of the night.
After two years of preaching his sermon about rising to and accepting challenges, and demanding it of everyone around him, he proved to be a hypocrit and a quiter when it mattered.
THAT is why Fins fans can't stand him.
Ok, the general sentiment here is as follows (best articulated by Dan LeBatard circa late 2006/ early 2007).
Saban underachieved both years with the Fins. Additionally, he did a lot of damage to the roster through poor drafts, the Culpepper debacle (not saban's fault though), and losing key younger pieces replaced with older vets (part saban's fault, part organization's fault).
Then the real kicker was people thought he was a liar and coward. Saban (IMO) saw the writing on the wall. He would be fired the next year, possibly during the season. Fins fans were ready to fire him midway through the 2006 season. Saban knew he wouldn't be able to win with the roster he had in 2007. He quit. He bolted town. And he did it in secret in the middle of the night.
After two years of preaching his sermon about rising to and accepting challenges, and demanding it of everyone around him, he proved to be a hypocrit and a quiter when it mattered.
THAT is why Fins fans can't stand him.
This post was edited on 8/3/13 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/3/13 at 2:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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That 4-12 Miami team would have probably been a playoff team had they not been hungout to dry by Ricky Williams.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 2:03 pm to TT9
Best summary of Fins fans thoughts on the Saban error.
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Saban left Dolphins as a loser, weasel
BY DAN LE BATARD
dlebatard@MiamiHerald.com
The punctuation on the Nick Saban Dolphin Error is greasy and greedy. You know what he was as Dolphins coach? A failure. A loser. A gasbag. And one of the worst investments Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga has ever made. He was less of a success than Dave Wannstedt and more of a traitor than Ricky Williams. There has been very little in franchise history that came with more expectations and fewer results than this hypocrite who at the end avoided the hard questions one last time.
Talk like a warrior. Behave like a weasel.
Maybe Saban would be better off in college. Because, in the pros the last few days, he has looked like a complete and utter amateur.
He will be remembered in these parts as a quitter and a liar. He leaves the franchise in last place, with what used to be his good name somehow far lower than that. And for this he’ll get a $25 million raise and more job security in Alabama. Makes you wonder what USC’s Pete Carroll or Ohio State’s Jim Tressel are worth, doesn’t it?
Larry Coker, a decent man, gets fired for his one championship. Saban, a duplicitous one, gets the most lucrative job in college football.
Saban could have fixed his reputation today if he had that mental toughness he is always sermonizing about. We have the meandering spiel memorized by now. About ”competitive character” and ”overcoming adversity” and blah, blah, blah. You preach it, Nick. But you don’t live it. Not when it’s easier to run away and hide.
Miami, 6-10 against an easy schedule, was swept this year by younger teams in its division — the Jets and Bills. The team isn’t better than when Saban arrived, just older. What little winning Saban has done has been with players left for him by Jimmy Johnson and Dave Wannstedt. What’s the best decision Saban has made in two years? Can you name one?
So it makes sense that he would lack hope. But when his players are losing, he asks them to be proud and fight and overcome, even though what they do hurts a hell of a lot more than what he does. But now, reputation in tatters, integrity stained, he runs away from this fight — to be a dictator to kids who question less and have less power to challenge him. Of course he’d go. It’s a good deal easier. And a new crowd eager for a savior can hear his hot-air speeches about being a gladiator.
Saban made Huizenga look like a public fool with all his condescending talk of integrity recently, reprimanding reporters at every turn while his agent secretly kept taking slimy calls from Alabama in the shadows. What a raging fraud Saban sounds like today, every bit as counterfeit as Miami’s Super Bowl expectations.
Oh, a man, even one under contract, is allowed to change his mind and listen to other offers, especially those that double his salary. But what makes Saban’s behavior so unctuous recently is that he had the audacity to question the questioners with super-sized arrogance even while lying all along to his players and his boss. Huizenga has given this man everything he has wanted — given him more than any NFL owner anywhere has given any other coach. He deserves better than this. He deserves better than Saban leaving him to answer the hard questions today.
Makes you wonder, too: Huizenga went after Ricky Williams and his money with cutthroat zeal, and Williams is still paying him back. But Saban just broke a contract, too. There are no outs in Saban’s contract to go back to the minor leagues.
Remember how mad you were when Williams retired? Well, he wasn’t cheating on you. He wasn’t grabbing for more money. His body hurt from a beating, and he wanted to rest. What Saban has done is a more traitorous act — the most traitorous act in the history of the franchise. He’s leaving simply because he couldn’t handle a hard job on the sidelines of a game in which he asks others to be violent. He gave up, in other words. And filing it under ”family” now as a diluter, in search of understanding, rings hollow because you can’t believe anything the man says about this situation. You think he’d be leaving if he were 3-13?
Saban, infomercial sermonizer, talked a lot about loyalty and integrity and toughness.
But, in the end, these were not his guides.
They were only the kinds of things he demanded of others.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 2:04 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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He bolted town. And he did it in secret in the middle of the night.
No he didn't. I remember January 2-4, 2007 like it was yesterday. Saban met with Mal Moore on New Years' Day 2007. The next day, January 2, all the talk was that Saban was going to take the job. But then it was announced out of Miami that Saban was going to take the night to think it over and report to WH the next day with his decision. That morning, January 3, Saban met with WH and told him that he was taking the Alabama job. Around lunch time on that same day, Nick Saban landed in Tuscaloosa. The rest is history.
He did not leave in the middle of the night. Once Alabama started talking to him everyone was aware of the process.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 2:07 pm to RollTide1987
I stand corrected. I thought he left during the night.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 2:17 pm to RollTide1987
quote:bc the powers that be at the time were afraid of a college return. And i'm reaping all the benefits.....
Once Alabama started talking to him everyone was aware of the process.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 3:34 pm to Lsuchs
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Could be 3 years from now, could be 6-8. I'm gonna guess 5. Really nothing else to accomplish
He has said he would like to coach 8 more years.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:04 pm to ewilliams000
Heaven. He will end his career at Bama.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:23 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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was he really a failure though?
Yes. Period. Point. Blank. Sabans career in the NFL can be (AND IS) described as that one word. Failure. And if you are naive enough to think it doesn't eat at him, you don't really know the man you bamers put on a shrine and pray to.
This post was edited on 8/3/13 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:26 pm to auburn2eugene
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And if you are naive enough to think it doesn't eat at him, you don't really know the man you bamers put on a shrine and pray to.
And you know this how?
BTW: Saban has done more to help people in the last week than you have done the entire 14 years of your life.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:27 pm to ColtonH
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Heaven. He will end his career at Bama
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:31 pm to ewilliams000
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If Saban ever left ,where do you think he would go?
I would hope the man would finally relax and enjoy life. Pretty sure he has never had a vacation.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:35 pm to auburn2eugene
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bamers
ITAT or TigersX?
Posted on 8/3/13 at 5:41 pm to beaverfever
At least 10? He's 61, man. You start declining mentally and physically real fast at that point. 10 at the very very most.
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