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Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:36 pm to bfniii
Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:36 pm to bfniii
Three indisputable facts:
Leo Lewis claimed he received 10000 dollars from two different school in an official interview with the NCAA
The moon landing was not staged
There is no Easter Bunny. That guy over there...he's just a man in a suit.
I defy you to find even one credible source that disproves any of these things.
Leo Lewis claimed he received 10000 dollars from two different school in an official interview with the NCAA
The moon landing was not staged
There is no Easter Bunny. That guy over there...he's just a man in a suit.
I defy you to find even one credible source that disproves any of these things.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 8:41 pm
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:57 pm to VivaZapata27
So he said MSU was the other school? You are assuming a bunch when Ole Miss people are staring down the barrel of so many different things that you won't fess up to and make excuses for. Seriously, you claim this mounting pile of evidence is a farce, yet make innuendo and claim things about MSU that can't be proven at all. You Ole Miss people never cease to amaze me.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:00 pm to VivaZapata27
Just curious, but why is someone at Ole Miss providing information to folks who are outside of the university (I assume the NCAA is not leaking documents to alums and lawyers not representing the university)?
The NCAA bylaws state:
“An institution and any individual subject to the NCAA constitution and bylaws involved in a case, including any representative or counsel, shall not make public disclosures about the case until a decision has been announced in accordance with prescribed procedures.” 19.01.03
“Individuals and institutional representatives shall be required to agree not to release recordings or interview transcripts to a third party.” 19.5.8
Is there something unethical in sharing quotes from Lewis' transcripts or providing copies to third parties? If there is a legitimate reason to release this information, I'd like to hear what it is and why it is not a violation of the NCAA bylaws.
The NCAA bylaws state:
“An institution and any individual subject to the NCAA constitution and bylaws involved in a case, including any representative or counsel, shall not make public disclosures about the case until a decision has been announced in accordance with prescribed procedures.” 19.01.03
“Individuals and institutional representatives shall be required to agree not to release recordings or interview transcripts to a third party.” 19.5.8
Is there something unethical in sharing quotes from Lewis' transcripts or providing copies to third parties? If there is a legitimate reason to release this information, I'd like to hear what it is and why it is not a violation of the NCAA bylaws.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:01 pm to Croomismyname
Whoa now. MSU is the team he signed with. The name of the other team he claims paid him is redacted. I have no reason to believe he would admit that MSU did. (But it's safe to assume they did). Who cares bro, he has immunity.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:06 pm to tigerinridgeland
They had to release the NOA and their response. There's no getting around that and it's not unethical. They haven't leaked the transcript but used excerpts from it in their response. Names were redacted. For all we know BYU was the other institution he claims gave him 10 grand. Whoever that is is just speculation.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:24 pm to VivaZapata27
I understand that they released the response, and that was not improper, and I may have misunderstood, but you referred to a direct quote from Lewis, but he is not identified by name in the response. Is he directly quoted in the response?
I know it isn't hard for folks to deduce whose name was redacted, but if folks in the university are identifying him by name to third parties, that seems to violate the spirit, if not the letter of the rule.
But perhaps more concerning, I have also seen reference to claims by at least one Ole Miss poster that Merkel has a copy of Lewis' statements. If that is true there would seem to be a clear violation by someone presumably associated with Ole Miss.
I know it isn't hard for folks to deduce whose name was redacted, but if folks in the university are identifying him by name to third parties, that seems to violate the spirit, if not the letter of the rule.
But perhaps more concerning, I have also seen reference to claims by at least one Ole Miss poster that Merkel has a copy of Lewis' statements. If that is true there would seem to be a clear violation by someone presumably associated with Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:29 pm to tigerinridgeland
The University's response includes quotes from Student athlete 39. It's their right to use his interviews in their response. I guess it's not fair of me to say it was Leo Lewis since his name is redacted. But it WAS Leo Lewis and he's all but admitted as much on his social media. I have no knowledge of Merkel's case and it honestly doesn't concern me.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:37 pm to VivaZapata27
Thanks for the clarification. I understand that Merkel does not concern you, and that is fine. I have seen one poster assert rather strongly that Merkel does have a copy. If he does, perhaps it should be of concern as it evidences more disregard for the rules. It could be mere speculation that there is a copy in Merkel's hand. Hopefully it is just speculation.
I would assume there is enough information about the alleged defamatory statements in the public domain for Merkel to base his suit upon, but it would be troubling if someone did actually give him a copy of confidential statements.
I would assume there is enough information about the alleged defamatory statements in the public domain for Merkel to base his suit upon, but it would be troubling if someone did actually give him a copy of confidential statements.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:41 pm to tigerinridgeland
It may well be that every party named in the NOA is privy to all of that information. I would not be surprised if Merkel has those documents since [student athlete39] has made claims against his client and his client is implicated in the NOA.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 9:51 pm to VivaZapata27
You may be right on that point. I went back and looked at the rule. I first thought it might limit disclosure to the institution and the witness, but it may be broader than that if Rebel Rags is an "involved individual," which would seem correct.
"For all cases to be considered by the Committee on Infractions, the enforcement staff shall make available to the institution or involved individuals recorded interviews, interview summaries and/or interview transcripts, and other factual information pertinent to the case. The institution and involved individuals may review such information through a secure website or at the NCAA national office." 19.5.9
"For all cases to be considered by the Committee on Infractions, the enforcement staff shall make available to the institution or involved individuals recorded interviews, interview summaries and/or interview transcripts, and other factual information pertinent to the case. The institution and involved individuals may review such information through a secure website or at the NCAA national office." 19.5.9
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:02 pm to tigerinridgeland
There can be no confidential website. It is a public record and cannot be kept hidden.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:26 pm to matthew25
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It is a public record and cannot be kept hidden.
what is "public record"?
this isn't a court of law.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:28 pm to matthew25
While it may be likely that Mississippi law is similar to he Florida law, with likely similar results if litigated, the Florida case is not binding in Mississippi. Some information can be hidden, at least in part because the court recognized that redactions of names of students were permitted. The case in Mississippi also is factually distinguishable from the Florida case because that case did not involve an investigation using confidential sources. The court did not decide that issue.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:28 pm to VivaZapata27
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I defy you to find even one credible source that disproves any of these things.
We're not the ones having to shoulder the burden of proof here. The NCAA already knows you are guilty. YOUR OWN UNIVERSITY ADMITTED TO HOOKING SA 39 up with a booster and giving him money. Your university supported this by giving the NCAA text messages where Barney said y'all wasted that money. Y'all are fricked. Why would anyone in their right mind, including fans of Ole Miss, believe one word that comes out of Yancy Porter's mouth?
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:31 pm to VivaZapata27
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But it WAS Leo Lewis and he's all but admitted as much on his social media. I have no knowledge of Merkel's case and it honestly doesn't concern me.
Really? I hate to beat a dead horse here but you got a link where Leo admits this on social media? I would love to read it.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:44 pm to burdhead
Who cares? Can we play some ball already?
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:49 pm to Rebel
The issue there is whether the information on the NCAA website that contains documents are subject to a public records request. Since FSU was a public institution and used the documents in the website to conduct its business, the documents were public records.
Would love to see Ole Miss's response to Jackson Jambalaya, Rosebowl, USA Today, WSJ and SI when they ask to see all of Ole Miss's documents supplied to or received by Ole Miss in this NCAA investigation.
Would love to see Ole Miss's response to Jackson Jambalaya, Rosebowl, USA Today, WSJ and SI when they ask to see all of Ole Miss's documents supplied to or received by Ole Miss in this NCAA investigation.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 5:35 am to VivaZapata27
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Whoa now. MSU is the team he signed with. The name of the other team he claims paid him is redacted. I have no reason to believe he would admit that MSU did. (But it's safe to assume they did). Who cares bro, he has immunity.
Here is the problem you guys have. It's called "CREDIBILITY" or lack of. First of all, we had a WR coach a few years back that didn't play by the rules. He was fired on the SPOT instead of how you guys cover for coaches. We self reported a biggy and paid a price.
Secondly, as I mentioned before, we sign kids who are great players only to wind up going juco because we aren't fixing their grades to get them qualified. You guys on the otherhand , and I think even before Oher, were magically getting kids qualified that every coach out there knew to be a sign and place. That shite is blatant cheating in the worse way. Meanwhile we suffered because we lost so many to Juco while your fan base called us "School of dummies."
Thirdly, while every kid is entitled to sign with whatever school he chooses, the sheer number of kids either playing for Starkville High or kids that grew up huge MSU fans and were long term commits, only to flip right before signing day to Ole Miss. You know those stories. When asked by local media why the change of heart, we heard "It's just business man" or "No comment." Remember those?
Those are words of guilty in my opinion. I mean they could have just said "I had a change of heart because I felt at home at Ole Miss." You guys knew damn well what was going on and you laughed it up because you never thought it would catch up with you.
I stated on this board at least several years ago about one of your good guys (neighbor) worrying that the boosters were so out of control that he worried they might bring you down. There are people on this board that are active and can vouch for me on this.
You can bitch about Leo Lewis all you want. He always had his heart set on MSU and used your bagmen like a whore. And if someone at Msu also paid him, it will come back on us too. He used the system like a pro if thats the case.
But regardless, Leo is not going to bail you out of shite. Do you understand? I don't care if 25 schools paid him. Your problems are far bigger than Leo Lewis and I think he told the truth based on his ability to pick out faces in a photo line-up and descibe the make and colors of all 3 cars associated with Ole Miss bagmen.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:28 am to MullenBoys
I'm not bitching about Lewis. You are. Get over it. I doubt it comes back on you in any way.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:39 pm to VivaZapata27
Hey man you find that link yet? They one where Leo Lewis admitted on social media? Thanks.
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