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Hurd vs. UF 28/102, vs. Bama 18/92 - Fournette vs UF 31/180, vs Bama...?

Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:29 pm
While Tennessee wasn't as committed to the run game against Bama as they were against UF, and Dobbs wasn't as effective either, Hurd averaged 5.1 YPA against Bama compared to 3.6 YPA versus Florida.

Obviously Alabama's run defense will be the best LSU has faced this year, and the transitive property is mostly irrelevant in CFB, but it is certainly encouraging for LSU and Fournette that Hurd found efficient success against Alabama.

Posted by BhamDore
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:31 pm to
November is coming. The world will be a better place.
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

November is coming. The world will be a better place.




Perhaps both schools should schedule the bye after the game. I'm not sure if these are the best two weeks or the worst two weeks of the season.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:37 pm to
Having a scrambling quarterback opens up the offense a lot more, causes more lanes to open and makes it harder to cover the offense if he has the capacity to pass.

Tennessee has a decent team and have gotten better every week, it's not the same team that played Florida.

Why don't we look at, instead, Chubb's number against Bama since Georgia has a comparable quarterback to Harris? Although I think their quarterback is better, too.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:38 pm to
Then let's use some more transitives. W Kentucky he averaged 5.8. Miss St., 5.7. I think that would put him at about 4.5 vs. Bama. Not too shabby.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:41 pm to
I think Harris is better than Lambert
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:41 pm to
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Georgia has a comparable quarterback to Harris
You done did it now
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

Having a scrambling quarterback opens up the offense a lot more, causes more lanes to open and makes it harder to cover the offense if he has the capacity to pass.
quote:

Why don't we look at, instead, Chubb's number against Bama since Georgia has a comparable quarterback to Harris? Although I think their quarterback is better, too.


You know how I know you haven't watched LSU play football this year?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:51 pm to
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Why don't we look at, instead, Chubb's number against Bama since Georgia has a comparable quarterback to Harris? Although I think their quarterback is better, too.


Ignoring the passing portion of their QB skills, are you legitimately comparing the running threat of Lambert as the same as Harris?
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:52 pm to
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You know how I know you haven't watched LSU play football this year?


You guys think Harris is some master quarterback, it's really shocking watching you guys.

You know how I know?

Oh yeah, we're in a transitive property thread, again.

So why don't we talk about how Lambert set a record against South Carolina and Harris didn't?

18 - 28, 228 yards.

24 - 25, 330 yards.

Lambert > Harris lulz.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:53 pm to
PS I love LSU started threads.

#insecureU
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:07 am to
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PS I love LSU started threads.

#insecureU





Why are you so defensive?

The bottom line is that Alabama has faced two good RBs, and both Hurd and Chubb had success running the ball. Granted, Chubb broke off a long run towards the end, but you can't exactly ignore it either. Hell, even Michel ran for nearly 6 YPA on 9 carries in that game.

Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:18 am to
So Harris is a huge threat to run the ball every down just as Dobbs is. Learn something new every day.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:20 am to
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both Hurd and Chubb had success running the ball. Granted, Chubb broke off a long run towards the end, but you can't exactly ignore it either. Hell, even Michel ran for nearly 6 YPA on 9 carries in that game.


The passing statistics should have you more worried, but I digress.

I'm not defensive, by the way, it's just a bizarre thing watching you guys become so cocksure after having played two tough teams, both of which you barely beat by a single possession and both of which you should have beaten rather easily.

Lambert went 10 - 24, 86 yards.

Remember those three games where Harris only completed 80 yards a game?

Well, that's what happened to Lambert against Alabama.

quote:

but you can't exactly ignore it either.


When there's five seconds left on a 38 - 3 blowout, yes, yes you can just go ahead and chalk it up to Alabama ready to get out because it's garbage time. And that's not an exaggeration -- there was literally 5 seconds left in the game and he ran for 83 yards.

Let's do some math.

146 - 83 -

103 yards on 19 carries. It's decent, but I wouldn't count on Harris to pull it out. If you guys go down two scores, it's completely over.
Posted by harmonics
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:26 am to
I think like 30 of Hurds yards came on the long run at the end of the first half when Alabama was in bend mode. I wouldn't be surprised if Alabama continues to try and run nickle (dime in 3rd and longs) D vs LSU. As long as they aren't getting gashed by Fournette, I would love to see Harris throwing against Alabama's secondary with the star and money back there. I hope the D-line plays out of their fricking minds on the 7th.
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:15 am to
Different passing schemes. 3 completions from Harris will go for 75. LSU will be throwing 40 yard play action passes into one on one coverage. Georgia dinks it around a little better. Bama will give you the underneath and come tackle. LSU rarely looks there. They are looking down the seams and sidelines in a vertical passing system that forces the 2nd safety to commit deep or commit to the box. It will be up to LSU wrs to compete for the ball and win one on one balls. 10 completions from Harris will likely go for 175+.
Posted by harmonics
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:16 am to
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They are looking down the seams and sidelines in a vertical passing system that forces the 2nd safety to commit deep or commit to the box. It will be up to LSU wrs to compete for the ball and win one on one balls. 10 completions from Harris will likely go for 175+.


I agree with this, which is why I guarantee Alabama will defend LSU with 6 in the front and 5 in the back early on. This will dictate how Alabama defends the rest of the game. If Alabama has success containing LSUs run game with 4 DL and 2 LB enabling them to play 5 in the secondary, they will have LSU right where they want them. But, if Fournette is gashing Alabama, then they will be forced to add a linebacker and play more man in the secondary. It will be interesting to watch for sure.
Posted by Bosethus68
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:18 am to
Harris is either slinging it 60 yards or rolling out. He is getting better at finding his short options, but he hasnt been rushed much this year, May be a whole different ball game if Bama can get pressure with 4
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 6:28 am to
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I think like 30 of Hurds yards came on the long run at the end of the first half when Alabama was in bend mode



Not that I completely disagree with you, but he did break like 6 tackles on that run. Bend mode or not, it wasn't like you were in prevent defense and he had a wide open path for a 25 yard gain.

I honestly think if Dobbs wasn't in the game, Hurd would have ended up with only 40 yards all game. Kirby Smart obviously watched the Florida and Georgia games and determined that Dobbs wasn't going to beat you with his legs.


And if you had been in a close game in the 4th quarter against Georgia, Chubb wouldn't have broken an 83 yard run.

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