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re: How Greg Sankey should Handle Conference Expansion
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:49 pm to Sev09
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:49 pm to Sev09
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Link? I wasn't aware.
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Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference.
Only two divisions allowed.
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:43 pm to TomRollTideRitter
We should contract to 12 teams. We got in the Missouri and Texas tv markets, no longer need those teams.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:05 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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Expanding in 2012 was a mistake.
Sure. If you didn't mind being left in the financial dust of the B1G.
No expansion = no (highly profitable) SEC Network.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:40 pm to Mizz-SEC
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No expansion = no (highly profitable) SEC Network
No expansion also means no locked in media deal that will soon be below overall market rate. Expanding at the time, if all other factors remained static, was great. It also assumes that our current revenue model will be the best way of making money long term.
The problem is that the media bubble from a cable perspective is starting to collapse. The SEC is locked into a the longest of the current traditional media deals, receives a check from ESPN for the SECN instead of owning it, and those revenue streams are all dependent on the old subscriber fee concept to maintain at peak revenues. When that begins to flag, which should be obvious when seeing issues like the continued push for a la carte cable subscriptions and the staggering number of viewers lost to just cable cutting in general, those revenue numbers may not be as competitive and now there are additional "mouths to feed".
The real question needs to be is how would future expansion solve the next revenue problem instead of expanding to maximize the current revenue model. The bell can't be unrung, so now any future expansion has to be done under what maximizes the future revenues without a cable subscriber revenue driven model. Right now we don't even know what that revenue model will be, so any talk one way or another on which schools would add value or make the SEC more money long term is not only premature but would essentially be just a wild arse guess.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 7:32 pm to laxtonto
#1 I don't want Greg Sankey handling anything that important and impactful. He hasn't shown himself capable of wiping his own arse yet.
#2 I didn't see anything that prohibits pods in those rules. Why couldn't you have two pods within a division? 2 pods per division, pod winners meet to determine division winners who meet in SECCG.
#3 Expansion plan: don't expand, trade up. .Drop Missouri, sorry but you never did fit in. And drop Ole Miss. Why Ole Miss? Besides the fact that they are a charter member, why should we keep them? They haven't won even an SEC title in football in 50 years, haven't been to the Final Four, haven't been to Omaha, don't have a swim team, gymnastics team sucks, softball hasn't won shite, academics aren't that great. What do we want them for? Tennis?? State will give us the TV market in MS and are more competitive.
Replace Ole Miss and Missouri with Oklahoma and Okie Lite. I know we don't want OSU, but hey, you do what you have to. They're a wash or maybe slight upgrade from Mississippi and OU for Missouri is a big win for us. We might lose some TV sets in St Louis and KC but OU has national brand recognition that would minimize the loss.
I know we want the Carolina and Va markets but that's a pipe dream at least for now. Take the lemons and make lemonade. OU wouldn't be a bad get if they would just get over their inflated self opinion.
#2 I didn't see anything that prohibits pods in those rules. Why couldn't you have two pods within a division? 2 pods per division, pod winners meet to determine division winners who meet in SECCG.
#3 Expansion plan: don't expand, trade up. .Drop Missouri, sorry but you never did fit in. And drop Ole Miss. Why Ole Miss? Besides the fact that they are a charter member, why should we keep them? They haven't won even an SEC title in football in 50 years, haven't been to the Final Four, haven't been to Omaha, don't have a swim team, gymnastics team sucks, softball hasn't won shite, academics aren't that great. What do we want them for? Tennis?? State will give us the TV market in MS and are more competitive.
Replace Ole Miss and Missouri with Oklahoma and Okie Lite. I know we don't want OSU, but hey, you do what you have to. They're a wash or maybe slight upgrade from Mississippi and OU for Missouri is a big win for us. We might lose some TV sets in St Louis and KC but OU has national brand recognition that would minimize the loss.
I know we want the Carolina and Va markets but that's a pipe dream at least for now. Take the lemons and make lemonade. OU wouldn't be a bad get if they would just get over their inflated self opinion.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 7:44 pm to cardboardboxer
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NCAA rules don't allow for pods.
The P5 teams didn't break away from the hangers-on to be dictated to by the NCAA. If they want 16-team conferences with pods then that will happen. The NCAA finally recognizes that they are just the manager of the rules, not the author. The P5 schools will decide which rules they will operate under.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:01 pm to HempHead
The Roommate Switch
It's an understandable process. But in this version, I think they have the wrong teams in their groups.
Also, just my opinion, I really believe 16 (or more) team conferences are in the near future.
It's an understandable process. But in this version, I think they have the wrong teams in their groups.
Also, just my opinion, I really believe 16 (or more) team conferences are in the near future.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:04 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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KingwoodLsuFan
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Expanding in 2012 was a mistake.
The scheduling is kind of a mess right now
The scheduling is a mess for 2 reasons:
1 - 14 is a difficult number of teams to fairly create balanced schedules.
2 - The SEC KNEW 2 more teams were going to be added, so WHY didn't they either add another conf. game or come up with a new schedule format???
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:07 pm to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
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Eh, I want two more teams and a switch to 4-team pod schedules. That way, I won't have to wait 15 years to see LSU play at Tenn.
NCAA rules don't allow for pods.
WHERE does it say that? It says for 12 or more teams, there has to be an even division of schools. & with 4x4 team pods, you can rotate the pairs & have 3 different makeups (A/B vrs. C/D, A/C vrs. B/D, A/D vrs. B/C).
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:09 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Even better. Reverse all previous expansions
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
How Greg Sankey should Handle Conference Expansion
If the SEC sits passively around, strange things might happen. What would the TV Market look like if a new league formed that consisted of:
Arkansas
None of those teams have a real loyalty to a Conference, and would chase the biggest check. At some point someone will challenge the SEC for the TV Market.
You really believe that for the Hogs?
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:14 pm to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
How Greg Sankey should Handle Conference Expansion
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Link? I wasn't aware.
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Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference.
Only two divisions allowed.
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& we would HAVE 2 divisions:
Year 1: Div. A (Pod 1 teams & Pod 2 teams) Div. B (Pod 3 teams & Pod 4 teams)
Year 2: Div. A (Pod 1 teams & Pod 3 teams) Div. B (Pod 2 teams & Pod 4 teams)
Year 3: Div. A (Pod 1 teams & Pod 4 teams) Div. B (Pod 2 teams & Pod 3 teams)
NOWHERE does it say it has to be the SAME MEMBERS each year in the divisions.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 7:38 pm to TomRollTideRitter
If we expand it will be NC State and either Va/Va Tech.
Posted on 5/14/17 at 6:26 am to kywildcatfanone
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we expand it will be NC State and either Va/Va Tech.
Disagree. It is obvious that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are the next two members of the SEC. Adding the Sooners would be huge and State has been relevant in football for awhile now.
Posted on 5/14/17 at 8:02 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Don't expand. Problem solved.
The SEC is in a pretty sweet position. We would have rocks in the head to upset the scheduling, and cut the payouts to invite OU.
Doing another expansion would require doing away with some very old rivalries and could backfire.
The transition for Texas A&M was pretty easy as we already had a decent amount of hatred for LSU and Arkansas.
Posted on 5/14/17 at 8:08 am to CaptainBrannigan
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We should contract to 12 teams. We got in the Missouri and Texas tv markets, no longer need those teams.
The subscription fee is about 5 times greater for states that host an SEC team. That is why the conference started shoveling money after Texas A&M joined.
Posted on 5/14/17 at 8:19 am to FishFearMe
Rivalries is a huge part of college football and i think it is one of the things that make the SEC the strongest conference. We want to protect them....
With the changing market place in terms of TV, I don't want to expand. The rules are changing.
But if "content" ever becomes more important than subscriptions fees(I can easily see this happening) then I would say let's get Clemson, fsu, or Texas. Doubt that happens tho due to other sec schools voting it down.
The new money from that new content would have to be huge where no school could afford to turn it down.
With the changing market place in terms of TV, I don't want to expand. The rules are changing.
But if "content" ever becomes more important than subscriptions fees(I can easily see this happening) then I would say let's get Clemson, fsu, or Texas. Doubt that happens tho due to other sec schools voting it down.
The new money from that new content would have to be huge where no school could afford to turn it down.
Posted on 5/14/17 at 9:47 am to phil4bama
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OU wouldn't be a bad get if they would just get over their inflated self opinion.
Which of your traditional rivalries are you willing to give up to add OU and a second school for balance?
Also are you ok with the smaller TV payout your school would receive?
Posted on 5/14/17 at 1:14 pm to cardboardboxer
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Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference.
Big 12 has a title game with only 10 teams and no divisions.
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