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re: How do mid-majors?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:10 am to JayAg
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:10 am to JayAg
Because your best players go to big schools briefly and then leave.
Imagine, if you will, a team the congeals over the course of 3-4 years.
I will be damned....that is a TEAM.
I think we are done here Scooby Doo.
Imagine, if you will, a team the congeals over the course of 3-4 years.
I will be damned....that is a TEAM.
I think we are done here Scooby Doo.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:23 am to JayAg
One big difference in SEC schools and the ones you mentioned is that most SEC schools probably have a pretty good basketball team’s worth of talent on their football teams.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:33 am to JayAg
Because in basketball it only takes a few exceptional players to make a good team.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:38 am to JayAg
More rounded teams that have some age and synergy to them.
Right now I'd like Caitlin Clarke from Iowa to play at UK - she's better than anyone on our roster other than Oscar or Cason Wallace.
Right now I'd like Caitlin Clarke from Iowa to play at UK - she's better than anyone on our roster other than Oscar or Cason Wallace.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:49 am to JayAg
Half the team you mentioned are not even mid majors. If we’re being honest the SEC is closer to a mid major in basketball than the big east
4 of their 11 members have won titles compared to 3 of the SEC’s 14
4 of their 11 members have won titles compared to 3 of the SEC’s 14
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 6:55 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:37 am to MrAUTigers
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They aren't getting the one-and-dones. They get guys who are there for three/four years and are able to build rosters and team chemistry.
As much as this guy is wrong, on this he is correct.
It seems the key to winning the tournament, most of the time, is upperclassmen.
Also, many of these teams don't have to compete with football for dollars.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:51 am to Latarian
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it’s the same reason why the SEC dominates football, proximity to elite talent. NYC, the DMV and the Northeast in general produce a ridiculous amount of basketball talent.
This. Some of these guys never leave a basketball gym.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:56 am to JayAg
Can we stop calling the Big East a mid major league. It’s as good as it gets in college basketball.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:01 am to JayAg
As I said before, the things the SEC does better than anyone else (particularly facilities) isn't as important in basketball. A school that can field 5-7 good players is as dangerous as anyone else out there. It is the great equalizer in college sports.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:07 am to JayAg
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How do mid-majors field better teams than P5’s??
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:37 am to JayAg
Marquette, Nova, Georgetown, Providence, all spend more than every SEC team in basketball except for Bama and Kentucky who were top 5.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:59 am to MrAUTigers
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They aren't getting the one-and-dones. They get guys who are there for three/four years and are able to build rosters and team chemistry.
Which is what Izzo does at Sparty.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:15 am to JayAg
The SEC, and to a lesser extent the Big 10 and Big 12, are in areas where the best athletes grow up playing football. Basketball players are often just outliers, guys who are too tall to fit, and the occasional random guy who's a guard instead of a running back, etc.
You get around the Big East territory, and it's flipped. Football guys coalesce into programs like Penn State, but mostly the best athletes play basketball instead. For the East, it's likely due to lack of space growing up- you can play basketball anywhere.
For some of the rural areas, it comes down to having enough kids around to play. 2 guys can play basketball, you need a group to play football or baseball (in any way that improves your game). Those isolated dudes are the shooters... I remember reading about someone once who said he learned to make jumpers from the corner. He grew up playing in a hilly area, and if you missed the shot, you had to run down a hill and go get the ball back.
You get around the Big East territory, and it's flipped. Football guys coalesce into programs like Penn State, but mostly the best athletes play basketball instead. For the East, it's likely due to lack of space growing up- you can play basketball anywhere.
For some of the rural areas, it comes down to having enough kids around to play. 2 guys can play basketball, you need a group to play football or baseball (in any way that improves your game). Those isolated dudes are the shooters... I remember reading about someone once who said he learned to make jumpers from the corner. He grew up playing in a hilly area, and if you missed the shot, you had to run down a hill and go get the ball back.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:51 am to JayAg
quote:They're consistent because they have experienced rosters, and they have experienced depth. They're able to develop their talent and have less turnover due to 1 & done players. Therefore, they have the size, knowledge, and experience advantage over teams that have constant turnover.
It’s crazy to me how consistent they are
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 11:04 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:55 am to MrAUTigers
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They aren't getting the one-and-dones. They get guys who are there for three/four years and are able to build rosters and team chemistry.
Probably the biggest contributor
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:59 am to JayAg
I think you would be surprised to see the budget for mid major hoops. BE is considered one of the best college basketball conf(could argue the best). 3 teams in the A10, and a few of the top MWC teams all would rank in the middle of BE in spending.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:07 am to JayAg
At one time...people may have said "Teams with a lot of upper classmen who stick around will have a development advantage over teams with Freshmen that one and done".
Here's the scary part for one of them...FAU has 7 players averaging over 20 minutes of playing time. They are:
Senior - 1
Junior - 2
Sophomore - 3
RS Freshman - 1
This isn't a team with a bunch of Seniors and Juniors...oh, and their top 3 scorers are all Sophomores.
Here's the scary part for one of them...FAU has 7 players averaging over 20 minutes of playing time. They are:
Senior - 1
Junior - 2
Sophomore - 3
RS Freshman - 1
This isn't a team with a bunch of Seniors and Juniors...oh, and their top 3 scorers are all Sophomores.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:10 am to justaniceguy
Most times it isn't about who has the best team, it is about who is playing the best ball at the time of the tournament.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:54 am to Dawgsfan81
Great point and all about matchups.
I knew Mizzou was toast when we were matched up with Princeton. They could have been a 50th seed and we’d still drop 8 out 10 to them. High 3% team known for finding the extra pass was Mizzou’s crypto. We were built to beat teams like Tennessee.
I also believe this is an entirely new era in which G5 types can leach the stars of the 150 lower level D1 schools offering 3x NIL to transfer and build 1-year super teams of upperclassmen.
It only take 3 great players to elevate a KenPom 150 team to be a sweet 16 type team the following year.
I knew Mizzou was toast when we were matched up with Princeton. They could have been a 50th seed and we’d still drop 8 out 10 to them. High 3% team known for finding the extra pass was Mizzou’s crypto. We were built to beat teams like Tennessee.
I also believe this is an entirely new era in which G5 types can leach the stars of the 150 lower level D1 schools offering 3x NIL to transfer and build 1-year super teams of upperclassmen.
It only take 3 great players to elevate a KenPom 150 team to be a sweet 16 type team the following year.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:02 pm to JayAg
Same way Aggies can have #1 recruiting class and Jimbo and have a losing record.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 12:04 pm
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