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re: How bad does signing several juco players(5 or more) stunt a rebuild?
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:18 am to TwelfthMan
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:18 am to TwelfthMan
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Auburn's recruiting class is ranked well every year. Why would they need to?
Chizik screwed them up. A lot of our older players are soft and it shows on the field. We need new blood to toughen this team up.
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Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:29 am to BamaFitter
It's just a case by case basis. We got Jasper and Casper Brinkley years ago from JUCO...that worked out well. We also had two other LB's Dickerson and Straughter, again they both contributed and gave time for Paulk to heal and Wilson to develop.
So, yes it can work.
So, yes it can work.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:40 am to BamaFitter
Was this thread really necessary? Obvious Bama fan picking at Auburn is obvious.
Did you happen to notice WHERE we're specifically recruiting these JUCO guys before spouting off? Thanks to Chiz, we desperately need immediate help along the DL and at LB, and we need some depth at RB and OL b/c of Sullen's graduation and Westerman's transfer. We're recruiting -- and have signed -- to fill these holes.
Do some research next time
Did you happen to notice WHERE we're specifically recruiting these JUCO guys before spouting off? Thanks to Chiz, we desperately need immediate help along the DL and at LB, and we need some depth at RB and OL b/c of Sullen's graduation and Westerman's transfer. We're recruiting -- and have signed -- to fill these holes.
Do some research next time
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:56 am to NYCAuburn
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Your post reeks of bama insecurity. Bama first in your heart, auburn first in your head. So common knowledge, aye? More than you can remember? Like 1 hr You think? Maybe? Might? Would of? Could of? I think? I heard?
Do you know what "insecurity" means? I don't think you do, because it's not possible for a Bama fan to be insecure with regard to the Auburn Tigers, lol.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:00 am to BamaFitter
theres a program from manhattan, kansas that just won the big 12 who would think otherwise....
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:02 am to WestCoastAg
Actually, the only reason Bama got in the NC was due to Snyder's juco players. They were trashed by Baylor. OP might be right.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:11 am to NYCAuburn
It is entirely contingent on the class and retention structure you have in place already; if you have lopsided classes, JUCOs can actually help spread out the load by allowing you to refrain from overloading a year with 4 year commitments.
There is nothing inherently 'stunting', though.
There is nothing inherently 'stunting', though.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 2:56 am to TwelfthMan
Snyder was brilliant with his JUCO strategy. Anyone that has been to Manhattan, KS can see that he isn't going to win a lot of straight up recruiting battles for 4 and 5 stars. Snyder utilized the strong JUCO system (and even helps place kids) in Kansas to get quality players that didn't qualify. What he has done with the resources he has is mind boggling.
As for the OP, there is a certain limit to how many JUCO's a normal program likely would have (K State is unusual). It's really less about X number in a class though so much as what the overall 85 looks like. For instance, if you have an 85 roster heavy on upperclassmen then taking too many JUCO's is dangerous because at some point you will end up unbalanced class wise. If you have a young team though you could take quite a few.
Another thing to remember is there are more and more ways around the system now. For instance A&M has 9 Mid Termers. Some are early HS grads. Some are traditional 2 to play 2 JUCO guys. One is a 3 to play 2 JUCO. Another is 3 to play 3. They also have a Prep School guy that has all 4. They all can count toward either 2012 or 2013 (A&M is of course counting them all back to '12).
Of course the other huge factor is the most important one, talent. If you are talking about a Cam Newton or Cordorelle Patterson who cares? Take as many of those level talents as you can get every time, every year.
As for the OP, there is a certain limit to how many JUCO's a normal program likely would have (K State is unusual). It's really less about X number in a class though so much as what the overall 85 looks like. For instance, if you have an 85 roster heavy on upperclassmen then taking too many JUCO's is dangerous because at some point you will end up unbalanced class wise. If you have a young team though you could take quite a few.
Another thing to remember is there are more and more ways around the system now. For instance A&M has 9 Mid Termers. Some are early HS grads. Some are traditional 2 to play 2 JUCO guys. One is a 3 to play 2 JUCO. Another is 3 to play 3. They also have a Prep School guy that has all 4. They all can count toward either 2012 or 2013 (A&M is of course counting them all back to '12).
Of course the other huge factor is the most important one, talent. If you are talking about a Cam Newton or Cordorelle Patterson who cares? Take as many of those level talents as you can get every time, every year.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:03 am to aggressor
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I understand signing a few to fill spots like A&M but I have not seen anyone sign so many as Auburn.
Terrible troll job. Auburn doesn't even have the most JUCO signings in the SEC this year, yet he is trying to troll Auburn alone. I guess he could have no clue what he is talking about too (as most sidewalk bama fans)
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 7:06 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:59 am to BamaFitter
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Look dude I aint gonna argue with you
You aint?
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:07 am to stat19
Gotta love the dumbass OP trying to do a subtle troll when it was obvious what she was doing.
And confirms it with her second post in this thread.
And confirms it with her second post in this thread.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:19 am to BamaFitter
It depends.
As someone has already brought up, Sntder at K State has built a winner off the jucos. They ARE. The program so he's got a pipeline of them.
Too many jucos as a stopgap is a scenario that will probably be felt for a year or two after they leave.
As someone has already brought up, Sntder at K State has built a winner off the jucos. They ARE. The program so he's got a pipeline of them.
Too many jucos as a stopgap is a scenario that will probably be felt for a year or two after they leave.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:32 am to BamaFitter
STRONG GRIND ON AUBURN BUT...Bill Snyder has won 170 games including 9 10 win seasons on the backs of JUCOs and transfers.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:41 am to NYCAuburn
I think it can be a good strategy in Auburns situation. Gus needs players that fit his system and we also need key defensive players who can play. Last years defensive players were busts in a lot of areas.
I would think its a good one year strategy. bring in top young talent but while they grow up, put in some JUCOs to bolster the depth
I would think its a good one year strategy. bring in top young talent but while they grow up, put in some JUCOs to bolster the depth
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:42 am to thefloydian
It isn't reasonable and is difficult to comprehend, but this board proves daily that it is not only possible but also common.
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:45 am to WDE24
This is the point where certain AU posters come into a Bama thread and say "there sure are some sensitive Bama posters in here." Thought it would fit right here.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:47 am to WDE24
There sure are some sandy crimson vages in here.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:48 am to crimsonian
Yeah, this is a thread about bama and not a troll on Auburn. Give me a fricking break.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 8:53 am to crimsonian
Only a complete dumbass would call this a bama thread after the op already acknowledge the obvious, that this is an AU flame thread.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 9:07 am to BamaFitter
I don’t believe that's the case and here’s why. Eligible Juco players this year more than likely would have been in the class of 2010 coming out of high school (yes, I know there are exceptions but for the sake of discussion I’m using this scenario as an example).
If a team signed 25 high school players in 2010 but if that class was not very good and subsequently shrunk to about 10-12, that's a problem especially if only 3-5 of those are starters. A team needs to bring that class’ numbers up with Jucos or they will never have a good balance of seniors, juniors, sophomores and freshman.
Take Arkansas for example. I think Arkansas signed 5 mid-term Jucos this year and will probably sign 2-3 more before it’s all over because Petrino’s 2010 class was weak both in talent and now in numbers because of attrition. I think 3 of those 5 will be counted back to last year’s class but if Arkansas didn’t bring in enough Jucos to supplement that class we will be out of balance in numbers.
Also, signing Jucos is especially important with a new coaching staff because the existing players may not fit the style new coaching staff wants and we all know that Jucos are not brought in to set the bench.
If a team signed 25 high school players in 2010 but if that class was not very good and subsequently shrunk to about 10-12, that's a problem especially if only 3-5 of those are starters. A team needs to bring that class’ numbers up with Jucos or they will never have a good balance of seniors, juniors, sophomores and freshman.
Take Arkansas for example. I think Arkansas signed 5 mid-term Jucos this year and will probably sign 2-3 more before it’s all over because Petrino’s 2010 class was weak both in talent and now in numbers because of attrition. I think 3 of those 5 will be counted back to last year’s class but if Arkansas didn’t bring in enough Jucos to supplement that class we will be out of balance in numbers.
Also, signing Jucos is especially important with a new coaching staff because the existing players may not fit the style new coaching staff wants and we all know that Jucos are not brought in to set the bench.
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 10:53 am
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