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Honest question re Ole Miss and NCAA....

Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:37 am
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:37 am
if it is indeed 1-2 year post-season ban and 15-20 scholarships, with AD run pay schemes, can Hugh survive it?

Further, if he does survive, can he maintain what he built if his honey-hole is dry?
Posted by Emanonion
Member since Dec 2012
1762 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:40 am to
Too many hypotheticals. Will have to wait and see what happens.
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:41 am to
quote:

can Hugh survive it?


If all happens as you say, Hugh Freeze will receive a show cause. He will be gone, along with the entire staff (if all of that happens).
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4582 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:41 am to
Not only will Hugh not survive this but Bdork will be gone as well.
Posted by Rodo
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
794 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:42 am to
Already gone.

Eagles

Rodo
Posted by reggierayreb
Germantown
Member since Nov 2012
16956 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:42 am to
No coach could survive an AD run pay for play scheme... Dumb question.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37299 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:42 am to
This doesn't answer your question but I have one too- what good would a 1 year post season ban provide? I guess I just think if you're gonna get punished get punished, one year pffft.

Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
69901 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:43 am to
quote:

if it is indeed 1-2 year post-season ban and 15-20 scholarships, with AD run pay schemes, can Hugh survive it?



Depends on whether he gets a show cause or not.

quote:

Further, if he does survive, can he maintain what he built if his honey-hole is dry?





Not at chance
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:43 am to
nobody can answer that right now.


WTF is wrong with people? When they drop whatever the penalties are we'll know a little more but not even then.


Watch things play out from the sidelines and soak it in. That's my plan
Posted by fillmoregandt
OTM
Member since Nov 2009
14368 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Honest question re Ole Miss and NCAA....
nobody can answer that right now.


WTF is wrong with people? When they drop whatever the penalties are we'll know a little more but not even then.


Watch things play out from the sidelines and soak it in. That's my plan




Bravo. I didn't think there were any objectional people left on this board
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:50 am to
quote:

what good would a 1 year post season ban provide?


Nothing, unless the team wins the conference or goes to a big bowl that year. Then it stings. The punishment is a good way to prevent a cheating program from benefitting from the current momentum before the other punishments decimate whatever they tried to build on top of cheating.

The main punishment is scholarship restrictions, or if the NCAA puts a show case on the coach forcing the program to fire him. All that separates programs in this sport are the coaches, so if you get your once in a lifetime coach and you are forced to fire him that is basically the modern death penalty.

Ole Miss knows that, which is why they aren't playing by the old rulebook. The old rulebook would have expected them to fire Freeze when they put out a voluntary punishment as a way to atone to the NCAA and hope to convince them to accept their suggestions for how to punish them. Ole Miss is kinda going "frick that, you are going to have to FORCE us to kill our program," which is very ballsy.

We will see how it plays out, up until now I have been rooting for them but I think it's probably better for the sport for them to get hammered. Whatever little parity Ole Miss is creating for itself goes away for every non blue blood ten fold if the Ohio Sts and Texass of the world think they can tell the NCAA to frick off too. It is the ultimate prisoner's dilemma.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:52 am to
quote:

Honest question re Ole Miss and NCAA....
nobody can answer that right now.


WTF is wrong with people? When they drop whatever the penalties are we'll know a little more but not even then.


Watch things play out from the sidelines and soak it in. That's my plan



Bravo. I didn't think there were any objectional people left on this board



My bad, I thought this is what grown men who follow college football way to closely did on the interwebs in June. I'll work hard to get butter.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68490 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:56 am to
The only way Freeze isn't at Ole Miss is if he is show caused. Which is what morons think will happen.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10363 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:00 am to
quote:

Further, if he does survive, can he maintain what he built if his honey-hole is dry?


Not at chance

This is the kind of fear that we appreciate. Keep it up.

34-3
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8175 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:02 am to
Of course he would survive. Like it or not, the biggest crime by far is the Saunders mess. Without that the rest of this would almost certainly result in minor punishment. If there is any scheming by other coaches or ADs then they fire them and move on, though I don't know that they get the proof they need.

Can he maintain? I dunno, its a challenge no matter what, ask Malzahn and Miles. Things can start to get away from you and Ole Miss isn't a traditional powerhouse. I think he can keep us competitive in the long term regardless but who knows.
Posted by fillmoregandt
OTM
Member since Nov 2009
14368 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Like it or not, the biggest crime by far is the Saunders mess


It is, and people don't want to acknowledge that it happened a long time ago, was under a different staff/administration, and was minor compared to what Saunders was doing at ULL.

After that it's Tunsil and the FCA carpooler.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8175 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Ole Miss knows that, which is why they aren't playing by the old rulebook. The old rulebook would have expected them to fire Freeze when they put out a voluntary punishment as a way to atone to the NCAA and hope to convince them to accept their suggestions for how to punish them.


Nobody would fire a good coach for what Freeze is currently accused of. If you go down the list of accusations, there is literally nothing connected Freeze that is worthy of firing. Let's not be silly.
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