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re: Honest question on bama's d gameplan

Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:09 am to
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:09 am to
Simple reminder, Chubb ran for 150 against Bama. How'd that work out?

LF will get his, Bama will force Harris to beat them. If he can make plays with his feet and hit the deep ball then it may be a long day for the Tide.
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:10 am to
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Do you think Saban stacks the box early or just relies on keeping forenette somewhat under control in first half then stacks the box in second half in hopes of stopping him all together in second half? Or do you think he stacks the box early and makes harris perform great early.
Saban will play a lot of base and not stack the box most of the time early to see what his options are.

Of course, "stacking the box" isn't applicable to Saban D's. He's had the same tendencies since Mich St, because they work.
1. Goal is to get at least 1 more D player at point-of-attack than there are blockers every play.
2. Instead of putting those players in position pre-snap (and guessing where that point is), put D players in position where if they read keys correctly and with their individual speed/skill they can get to that point.
3. Likes to attack the "fringes", not the teeth of the play. So instead of matching your overload with a safety up close and over the slot or TE, he'll bring that safety or LB through a gap where you've been pulling a G or T from on the backside; or use that S or LB to set the edge on the front side of the play and let the DE/DT free to disrupt the play.

So a player like Ragland (who reads keys very well, and is very fast with agility) won't necessarily cover a gap or adjust to an overbalanced line laterally. So that's how Saban/Smart "stack the box" but disguise it. If you got the hosses, you don't have to show pre-snap.


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prevatt33
Wish I had read your post first; think we're saying almost the same thing.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 9:14 am
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:16 am to
Bama will be in base unless LSU goes to 3 wide Wrs. Then Bama would go to nickel. LSU's best chance for rushing success is to get Bama out of their Base defense. The more Lbers Bama gets to play the least amount of rushing success LSU will have. If you can get Bama into nickel where they only play two Lbers then LSU has a better chance for success.

Cam Cameron is awful though and will continue to run into the brick wall. The guy got fired and his team went to the Super Bowl.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:16 am to
Simple reminder, when Georgia needed Chubb to get yards, he couldn't.

When the game was in question Nick Chubb was shut down. He struggled gaining anything. He couldn't pick up first downs and was shut down everytime he touched the ball when the game was in question.

When Bama was up by 4 touchdowns in the second half, he broke off an 83 yarder against a defense that was understandably not as focused mentally as they were in the first half. So please, don't cite nick chubb's stat line as proof that he just torched Bama on the ground. Nick Chubb was rendered ineffective
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:21 am to
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Riseupfromtherubble
quote:

Simple reminder, when Georgia needed Chubb to get yards, he couldn't.
very true and accurate. Can't just look at his stats because he had that 1 long run (72yds??) late when it didn't matter.

If LSU can avg. 4.0 yds per carry in the first half that would be considered success. And can't expect every carry to even be for positive yardage. It is possible LF7 breaks a long one (+20yd) or 2 with Sabans aggressive D and his skill sets getting to the 2nd level. But those have to happen relatively early to be a factor in the game, not just in his stats or Heisman run.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:51 am to
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When the game was in question Nick Chubb was shut down. He struggled gaining anything. He couldn't pick up first downs and was shut down everytime he touched the ball when the game was in question.


He didn't get much, but his QB was absolutely atrocious and there was zero threat of any passing, so it made it much easier to stop the run.

Harris is fully capable of burning a D with his legs or his arm, so the D has to account for that. LSU's O-line is superior to most teams as well. Other than Florida though, the Bama D is an obvious step up in competition from the rest of the defenses we have faced. It will be interesting.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:51 am to
Funny stuff.
Posted by Gr8t8s
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:30 am to
This is the type of game where I expect les to do a PA deep pass on first down on the first possession of the game. Proves that they are not afraid to take a shot. If they hit it, it'll work in LF's favor. If not, and they go 3 and out, or don't move much, the possession isn't wasted because our offense probably can't take advantage of it. Win-win IMO.

Then again, he has generally started these games quite conservatively.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:40 am to
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When the game was in question Nick Chubb was shut down.
Chubb was a great player before his injury, but he wasn't Fournette. This cat is cut from a different cloth.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:45 am to
If Bama goes man to man wouldn't that mean by extension they will be stacking the box often? If LSU has 2 TEs in the game or a fullback, then Bama will have 9 guys in the box anyway to match up in man.

I expect Bama to play like they always do; expect their man to be better than the other guys man. He always says just "do your job" and trust the other guys to do theirs.

I'm excited
Posted by JaboStokes
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:52 am to
Are your other questions dishonest?
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:57 am to
This is Bama/LSU. It'll get crazy! Miles will line up LF at Tight End just to throw us off. Saban will counter with the old Joe Lee Dunn 2-5 defense. Miles will then line up LF at punter and score twice off fake punts. Saban will take the leash off Kiffin and we'll go 5WR set for the rest of the game, and we'll win by three touchdowns.

Or maybe they'll line up and play smashmouth football like they have every other year.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:01 am to
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If Bama goes man to man wouldn't that mean by extension they will be stacking the box often?


This. If Bama goes man they have have at least 7 defending the run. The question is will Bama try to defend LSU with a single high safety.

Dural and Dupre have both shown that they can beat one-on-one coverage, and they showed it against the best CB tandem in the conference.
Posted by MattLSU
New York
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 1:24 pm to
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Saban believes in stopping the run with 7, and will virtually never "stack" the box, i.e. have 8 in the box. We'll be in base if you are in 2-wide or less. If you go three wide or more regularly, we'll be in Nickel. I doubt we'll see a ton of Dime unless it's 3rd and forever.

My guess is you'll see a similar gameplan as to what we brought against Georgia. Remember, stopping Fournette doesn't mean "stopping Fournette", it means controlling the LOS with our Front 7. Personally, I don't think Fournete will have much room between the tackles, but getting to the edge can be done - and I expect LSU to try it frequently.

We'll rush 4 mostly early, but will likely bring more heat as the game goes on, and probably end up bringing 5 on most plays in the 4th. We'll play man/combo press coverage all day, and expect db's to play on islands with rotating safety help.

If you sub, we'll sub. And we'll sub even when you don't. We'll be fresh in the 4th on the Dline, unlike most schools.

In short, we'll endeavor to stop the run first and force LSU to throw, and throw into tight windows. Harris will have to be very accurate with the ball. Should be a great matchup.


This is the most accurate post. Saban doesn't "stack the box". He just doesn't, and part of that is because that front 7 he employs is just good enough to not require it, and that is a huge advantage.

I just think Bama is going to have trouble with this against LSU. Yes, I realize the success that Bama had against Chubb. I fully agree that when the game was on the line, they flat out dominated Georgia's running game. That last run by Chubb to inflate his stats was cosmetic. I just think LSU is a brings a different caliber of attack, with a quarterback that can at least present a running/mobility threat. I think as good as Bama looked versus Georgia, they also showed some cracks versus Tennessee. Saban's defense typically destroys pocket passers. I honestly believe that is why LSU has seemed hell bent on having a mobile quarterback under Miles. Harris is not on the level of Dobbs as a running threat, he absolutely can run. LSU has shown that a bit, but hasn't asked him to do to much of it because they have not needed it, which is smart because you're risking the health of your starter when you ask him to take on that load. I really think Harris is the x factor in this game for LSU and I won't be suprised at all if the gameplan is to use him much more as a runner in this game. I look at LSU as kind of the reverse of UT, with UT Bama was very much focused on Dobbs as a runner, and I think their focus on Hurd as secondary. It will be reversed in this game, and I think Harris will have some big opportunities to make plays with his legs, he's very underrated as a run threat, and might be the best run threat at QB that miles has ever had at LSU. Again, they haven't shown it too much, but he absolutely has that ability. Georgia did not.

Posted by Jayrittls1
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:10 pm to
Was just interested in other thoughts on here. I have been thinking he will play man and sell out on stopping forenette. I do believe our o-line is better than Georgia's. Just hoping he can bounce the runs outside and take advantage of the speed advantages against the linebackers. Man this is going to be a chess match. Here's to a great game.... Again
Posted by Brosef Stalin17
Member since Sep 2014
1090 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:21 pm to
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I think Alabama will play there base nickel defense

I don't think this at all... Should only consider nickel in 3 WR sets ...

"Stacking the Box" with cornerbacks is not really Stacking the Box
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:22 pm to
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Do you think Saban stacks the box early or just relies on keeping forenette somewhat under control in first half then stacks the box in second half in hopes of stopping him all together in second half? Or do you think he stacks the box early and makes harris perform great early.
There's one thing that you and the rest of the coonasses on this board need to know. Saban ain't gonna let LF7 beat Alabama...period. If y'all win, it'll be with your QB's arm and legs. If he can deal with what Alabama is gonna have for him Saturday night, then congratulations....if not then...
Posted by 167back
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:38 pm to
I'm with you. I don't think the guy that posted bama playing 5 and 6 DBs VS LSU has seen much bama VS LSU football.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:45 pm to
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Riseupfromtherubble
I get amped up every time I read your posts about this game
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4703 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:45 pm to
Lucy splain something please.

If bama runs mostly a nickle defense how do they do it without using less DL or LBs?

The way I understand this nickle stuff you either take out a DL or LB and put in an extra DB.
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