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re: Historical #tDecline Battle: AU Defense vs UF Offense
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:25 am to RBWilliams8
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:25 am to RBWilliams8
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Florida was good before tebow, doe.
There were offensive years weaker than others, but to your point, until Muschamp arrived it had been decades since UF had an offense not ranked in the top 50. Muschamp's first 3 years didn't finish inside the top 100, this year he finally broke through and got to #90.
Total offense under Muschamp:
2011 - #105
2012 - #103
2013 - #113
2014 - #90
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:28 am
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:29 am to RT1941
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Yeah but that offense
I know a little something about the Tubs era. One of my favorite coaches to this day.
His offense was perfect for the type of defense Auburn had. Those fricking running backs during that time span. Jesus.
Brandon Cox though.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:34 am to bgator85
How much control do you think Muschamp had over his coaching staff? Did he want to have a new OC every year? Or was he getting pressure from above?
Learning a new offense every year would be tuff on a player.
Learning a new offense every year would be tuff on a player.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:39 am to graves1
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How much control do you think Muschamp had over his coaching staff? Did he want to have a new OC every year? Or was he getting pressure from above?
I'm sure he faced some pressure to change, but after the first losing season in 25 years someone had to be let go. There was nothing he could really do about Weis, that was never going to be a long term solution.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:46 am to RT1941
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Can you list AU's rise in offense during that same time period?
2005 37
2006 76
2007 98
2008 104
2009 16
2010 7
2011 100
2012 118
2013 11
2014 16
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:55 am to Master of Sinanju
So long as Gus is there, they will not field anything above 50-60 range defense. It's just the nature of that type of game - the best defensive players are unlikely to go to a school where the head coach considers them as a necessary evil rather than an integral part of the game.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:02 am to skrayper
Even without the top defensive recruits (as an aside, I don't think that is the issue), you would think Auburn could field a defense in the top half of college football.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:10 am to skrayper
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It's just the nature of that type of game
I just can't buy that argument...what I do know (and where you can actually insert the decline in the all the above stats) is that we haven't come close to competing for top tier defensive talent since that guy arrived up northwest of us...
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:20 am to AUjim
quote:Sucks to be you, but everyone in the south is feeling the wrath of Satan recruiting wise.
is that we haven't come close to competing for top tier defensive talent since that guy arrived up the northwest of us...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:09 pm to ATLdawg25
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Even without the top defensive recruits (as an aside, I don't think that is the issue), you would think Auburn could field a defense in the top half of college football.
We didn't recruit elite talent when Tuberville was here. He just scouted and evaluated talent like a boss. Pretty clear Chizik didn't
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:12 pm to ATLdawg25
quote:They are pulling in the talent to have that type of defense. The problem appears more fundamental in nature and not so much talent and scheme issues. Solid defensive coaches don't go to AU and just forget how to coach defense - it's baffling.
Even without the top defensive recruits (as an aside, I don't think that is the issue), you would think Auburn could field a defense in the top half of college football.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:15 pm to AUjim
quote:Yeah, but the whole conference has felt the wrath of Saban's recruiting and they still find a way to field a solid defense. How can talent have anything to do with poor execution, players out of position, players taking bad angles? And these details have happened under multiple DC's since Tubs was fired.
I just can't buy that argument...what I do know (and where you can actually insert the decline in the all the above stats) is that we haven't come close to competing for top tier defensive talent since that guy arrived up northwest of us...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:33 pm to RT1941
I don't think it is just Gus and HUNH. That definitely would fudge some numbers no doubt. Heck just being up big sans HUNH messes with numbers due to teams passing back into the game.
Since Tuberville left the AU defense has been riddled with poor tackling, lack of discipline and General inconsistent play. What is weird is that Chizik, Van Gorder and Ellis Johnson never had those reputations and HCs have changed as well.
Since Tuberville left the AU defense has been riddled with poor tackling, lack of discipline and General inconsistent play. What is weird is that Chizik, Van Gorder and Ellis Johnson never had those reputations and HCs have changed as well.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:35 pm to RT1941
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but the whole conference has felt the wrath of Saban's recruiting
Sure, but not nearly to the extent that Auburn does. LSU and Georgia especially have essential monopolies on their respective states.
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And these details have happened under multiple DC's since Tubs was fired.
Exactly. How the heck could it happen across several previously highly respected D coordinators? The only consistency is that the savior has been up in T-Town. Dude is a flat out boss at recruiting AND developing defensive players. How many 5 star defensive players from the State of Alabama has Saban lost to Auburn since 2008?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:48 pm to GenesChin
Auburn's shitty defense coincidence EXACTLY when Malzahn arrived.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:51 pm to GenesChin
Can we play Florida in a Bowl?
Could be the LaZ Boy Recliner Decline Bowl of 2014?
AU and Florida need to play more. We use to play them and Tennessee every year. Fun times.
Could be the LaZ Boy Recliner Decline Bowl of 2014?
AU and Florida need to play more. We use to play them and Tennessee every year. Fun times.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:54 pm to bgator85
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Total offense under Muschamp: 2011 - #105 2012 - #103 2013 - #113 2014 - #90
So you are telling me that 2014 was the best offense Muschamp had at Florida?
Lawdy
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think a better barometer would be AU Defense's ranks in Yards Per Play over that same period. I don't know if it ranks any different but for an offense like theirs that may be on the field more it can tell you a little more about how good they are.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:58 pm to GenesChin
Auburn Yards Per Play Rank
2003 - 20th (4.6)
2004 - 21st (4.6)
2005 - 43rd (5.0)
2006 - 36th (4.9)
2007 - 12th (4.5)
2008 - 34th (4.9)
MALZAHN
2009 - 43rd (5.15)
2010 - 56th (5.36)
2011 - 80th (5.73)
2012 - 89th (5.99)
2013 - 95th (5.96)
2014 - 73rd (5.60)
Jeebus
2003 - 20th (4.6)
2004 - 21st (4.6)
2005 - 43rd (5.0)
2006 - 36th (4.9)
2007 - 12th (4.5)
2008 - 34th (4.9)
MALZAHN
2009 - 43rd (5.15)
2010 - 56th (5.36)
2011 - 80th (5.73)
2012 - 89th (5.99)
2013 - 95th (5.96)
2014 - 73rd (5.60)
Jeebus
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 4:02 pm
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