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re: Heisman staying in the SEC
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:11 am to tigafan89
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:11 am to tigafan89
His play has dropped considerably this year with a much better option. I don't mean that stat wise. The naked eye can see his mechanics are off and against any good defense he loses most if any fundamentals he did have. He will not be taken higher than 5th round. His 10 foot tall receivers have bailed him out more times than I can count.
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Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:11 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Donald Trump has tweeted about him being underappreciated
Not sure why, but this made me
.Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:11 am to Legend13
Mike Evans might be in the mix if he keeps it up.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:15 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Like I've said before, I think AJ gets there, but doesn't win it. If the others collapse, he definitely gets it.
I disagree, but I see why you think that. In the past it's been given to players who weren't as impressive on whichever teams had the fewest losses at the end of the year. There's been a change, though - Tebow, RG3, Manziel have all won it recently on teams that were not in contention for even a conference championship. It's no longer 'best player on best team award,' it's moving to just 'best qb/rb regardless of team award.'
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:16 am to RollTigers
Agreed.
I believe RG3 won it on a team that had 3 losses.
I believe RG3 won it on a team that had 3 losses.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:17 am to FourThreeForty
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He will not be taken higher than 5th round.
I get that you're trying to trash him and I agree that he's overhyped, but this is just stupid and you know it.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:17 am to EKG
Tebow's Heisman came in a 3 loss year too.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:18 am to RollTigers
It's also been a "Who did what last" award.
Remember when Ingram ran over UF? That as the last chance to show something to the voters, and that won it for him.
Remember after the Auburn game, everyone on ESPN and around the country said Trent was going to win the Heisman, and then Trent didn't play on Championship Saturday, RGIII did, and RG dominated, taking all attention away from Trent.
If Jameis and Mariota were to collapse in their Conference title games and AJ had four or five TDs, he could steal it.
Remember when Ingram ran over UF? That as the last chance to show something to the voters, and that won it for him.
Remember after the Auburn game, everyone on ESPN and around the country said Trent was going to win the Heisman, and then Trent didn't play on Championship Saturday, RGIII did, and RG dominated, taking all attention away from Trent.
If Jameis and Mariota were to collapse in their Conference title games and AJ had four or five TDs, he could steal it.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:24 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I don't remember Trent ever being someone the National media thought was likely to win the Heisman, but I was living in Tuscaloosa at that time and remember the local media calling him a shoe-in. RG3 was in the drivers seat the entire last month of the season that year. Ingram's win came in the weakest year for the Trophy contenders since the defensive player won it. This year is not that weak - and it would takes a weak year for AJ to really contend with his current stats.
AJ just doesn't have the stats, dude. He's going to have something like 15-20 fewer total Tds and 1000-2000 fewer total yards than the other guys. The only reason some people are talking about him is the best player best team argument.
AJ just doesn't have the stats, dude. He's going to have something like 15-20 fewer total Tds and 1000-2000 fewer total yards than the other guys. The only reason some people are talking about him is the best player best team argument.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:31 am to RollTigers
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I don't remember Trent ever being someone the National media thought was likely to win the Heisman,
On ESPN's Heisman Watch thing on tv they said Trent had a large margin in the polls after he ran over Auburn. Whenever they mentioned him in passing that week they said "He's probably gonna win the Heisman".
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AJ just doesn't have the stats, dude. He's going to have something like 15-20 fewer total Tds and 1000-2000 fewer total yards than the other guys. The only reason some people are talking about him is the best player best team argument.
I know he doesn't have the stats others would have, but it's not impossible is all I'm saying. I don't think he wins, but no one should be shocked if he does. Again, his stats won't be anything to sneeze at, and IF he were to blow up in Atlanta and Mariota and Jameis choked their title games away, the media will get short term memory and give it to AJ. Will he deserve it? Sure, career wise, but it won't matter because on the last chance to prove themselves the others would have choked.
But again, and I'm gonna capitalize it so you know where I stand, I do NOT think AJ McCarron wins the Heisman, UNLESS the aforementioned players choke on Championship Saturday, and ONLY if they choke on THAT weekend. Not the weekend before, has to be THAT weekend. I also do NOT expect them to choke.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:34 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
That's fair enough, I guess. We'll see.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:26 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I'm expecting him to already hit 3000 after the SECCG, at or over 30 TDs, and have 4 INTs.
So.. 1 more int through the SECCG? He doesn't and will nothave the stats for a heisman IMO.. but he's a damn solid QB. They already gave the heisman to an undeserving Bama player already.. let's not do this twice.
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Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:33 pm to bmy
I think if we're all being honest with ourselves, it's easy to see that JFF is yet again the most outstanding player in the country.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:40 pm to bmy
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heisman to an undeserving Bama player already.
AJ is arguably one of the greatest (not one of the best, one of the greatest) QBs in CFB history. At that point he'd be on his way to 3 straight titles, he'd have four total rings, own almost all of his school's passing records, and he'd have a top two all time win percentage. Wanna look for off the field stuff? He's been a good ambassador for CFB with how he behaves himself off the field, and if you're looking for a sob story like you have with Te'o, he almost died when he was a child. His career would warrant it.
That said, I do agree that statistically he wouldn't be deserving.
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So.. 1 more int through the SECCG
Yes. He's got three right now, though one was really him trying to throw it away when he was getting chased and it was lobbed. In all fairness, again, he was trying to get rid it of it before he got smacked, but it still counts.
Anyway, he's got the best Attempt:INT ratio in CFB history, I'd say it's not crazy to think he throws only one in the next five games.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:45 pm to tigafan89
I wonder where Gurley would be in the Heisman race if he'd been healthy all season.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:48 pm to DawgFanDave
I'm not going to say Manziel is a bad quarterback -- he does his job for sure but he makes a ton of terrible decisions that, if he had a different receiving corps he would be an average guy. Those receivers make tons of plays for him that would be interceptions otherwise.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:51 pm to DawgFanDave
Heisman is Winston's to lose at this point. If he keeps FSU undefeated and has a big game in the ACC championship, kiss it good night.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Imagine if he had some sort of a defense though. Dude was still lights-out in both of their losses.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:53 pm to CNB
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shaw4heisman
This.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 1:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm not going to say Manziel is a bad quarterback -- he does his job for sure but he makes a ton of terrible decisions that, if he had a different receiving corps he would be an average guy. Those receivers make tons of plays for him that would be interceptions otherwise.
Why do people assume he'd make the same decisions if he didn't have Evans?
The way JFF throws to Evans is how you're supposed to utilize a guy with that size and leaping ability. We'd be wasting that matchup nightmare if we didn't hurl it up to him.
This point remains one of the most confusing.
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