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re: Has the Prevent Defense stopped anyone lately?
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:37 am to CrimsonChin
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:37 am to CrimsonChin
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And don't get me started on Joe Kines and his love for it. Nothing wrong with keeping the ball in front of you but a prevent is a killer.
Kines was bend but don't break all game. It's not like he was Greg Williams and then opened up the umbrella with 2 minutes left. Kines played a lot of zone. That's not prevent, that's you know..playing zone.
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Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:37 am to elit4ce05
Prevent D is when you are comfortable giving up the 5-15 yrd short routes, but defending those greater. Doesn't really matter how many DBs you have on field.
Now once you start chipping away, those little outroutes really start fricking you over
Now once you start chipping away, those little outroutes really start fricking you over
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:37 am to madmaxvol
"LSU played bend but don't break"
Not disrespect but the "bend but don't break" defense seems to do shitty bending that breaks! But if you're giving 20+ yard cushions then no way you shouldn't see the whole field. You playing zone then that WR is yours when he hits your zone and you pick him up from the other DB and so forth.
Not disrespect but the "bend but don't break" defense seems to do shitty bending that breaks! But if you're giving 20+ yard cushions then no way you shouldn't see the whole field. You playing zone then that WR is yours when he hits your zone and you pick him up from the other DB and so forth.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:45 am to elit4ce05
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Prevent defense is an American football defensive alignment that uses seven or more defensive backs or players in a defensive back role
No it's not. Having 3-4 DB's 40-50 yards downfield to prevent a score with no time remaining is a prevent defense.
No one runs a prevent defense with 3+ minutes to go in a 1 possession game.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:47 am to elit4ce05
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Prevent defense is an American football defensive alignment that uses seven or more defensive backs or players in a defensive back role
An ambiguous claim to say the least. Not that I am saying it per se, but rather typing it, obviously.
At any rate, which is it - 7 or more DBs or 7 or more players? Or is it actually, neither?
You see, Whammy Ward invented this dime rabbit package which is a prevent of sorts but built around four DEs all up front ... a little more complicated than that but anyways - and yeah, it's still "prevent."
That's the misconception, the misnomer even, of the prevent myth/fallacy.
A "prevent" defense is nothing more than a defense designed to prevent an offense from scoring on one single play. It is designed to both burn clock and to not allow a receiver to get behind coverage.
Where it fails is when DCs attempt to use it for entire series of downs or with too much time remaining on the clock whereas, when they do, it allows a good offense to work the short field, the sidelines and the clock in order to move the ball in front of the defense - feigning attempts to go deep which, in essence, are unnecessary if enough time remains.
Where the Prevent D can, and often does, come into play other than the final seconds of a game is if a team is down by more than two scores and an offense is trying to score quickly in an effort to have enough clock remaining to make an attempt to regain possession after their quick score ... as in an onside kick or squib kicks, etc.
The prevent defense itself is a solid strategy that is simply, and often, poorly utilized.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:48 am to VermilionTiger
People like to confuse a 3 or 4 deep zone for the prevent.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:49 am to VermilionTiger
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No it's not. Having 3-4 DB's 40-50 yards downfield to prevent a score with no time remaining is a prevent defense.
No one runs a prevent defense with 3+ minutes to go in a 1 possession game.
Great minds think alike ... see above. We were typing at the same time - but in my old age I felt the need to pontificate a bit more, obviously, while taking into account the overall low IQ of the SECr.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:50 am to Duke
Yep.
Bend but don't break does have it's disadvantages. LSU runs it a lot, especially on 3rd down.
If you have elite DBs and fast DE's..it can be a really effective playing style. LSU doesn't have either this year
Bend but don't break does have it's disadvantages. LSU runs it a lot, especially on 3rd down.
If you have elite DBs and fast DE's..it can be a really effective playing style. LSU doesn't have either this year
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:51 am to scrooster
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:54 am to VermilionTiger
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Bend but don't break does have it's disadvantages. LSU runs it a lot, especially on 3rd down.
It's the Chavis M.O.
I like it for LSU with the speed that is generally put on the field. Let em' complete it for five yards and swarm! Yeah though, with any zone there will be holes. Give the QB enough time on 3rd down and they will find them.
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If you have elite DBs and fast DE's..it can be a really effective playing style. LSU doesn't have either this year
Yeah. Last week in Athens was like the Twilight Zone after the past few years.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:55 am to VermilionTiger
What does Prevent Defense Mean?
This is a defensive strategy used in football when the defense believes the offense must pass the ball. This type of defense can take many forms, but it typically makes use of at least seven defensive backs, leaving only four defensive linemen. The goal of this strategy is to "prevent" the offense from gaining any significant yardage or scoring a touchdown in a single play, hence the name of the strategy. This defense will allow the offense to gain yardage within a limit that still prevents it from gaining the yards it needs to score.
Many articles on this...look it up.
This is a defensive strategy used in football when the defense believes the offense must pass the ball. This type of defense can take many forms, but it typically makes use of at least seven defensive backs, leaving only four defensive linemen. The goal of this strategy is to "prevent" the offense from gaining any significant yardage or scoring a touchdown in a single play, hence the name of the strategy. This defense will allow the offense to gain yardage within a limit that still prevents it from gaining the yards it needs to score.
Many articles on this...look it up.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:57 am to Duke
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People like to confuse a 3 or 4 deep zone for the prevent.
That may be true for uneducated fans ... but for most there is a huge difference between the two, or three, as you know.
3 and 4 deep zone coverage can be defeated by overloading the zone.
Prevent, in theory at least, cannot be defeated as long as the goal line remains behind the coverage and the coverage is deeper than the offense's (sic: QB's) ability to throw deep.
Therefore, a Prevent D is impossible in the cases already discussed above and additionally if the offense possesses the ball within the range of the QB's ability to throw ... say from the 50 yard line and inward. In that case the Hail Mary takes effect whereas, no matter how deep the QB might throw the ball (excluding throwing it out of the end zone of course), the receiver has the ability to catch the ball either in front of the defenders or at the same depth as the defenders.
The real problem with blaming the Prevent Defense lies in the commentary, among the pundits and color analysts calling the game who incorrectly label the defenses they are seeing on the field ... and the uneducated fans believe them.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 8:58 am to elit4ce05
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The goal of this strategy is to "prevent" the offense from gaining any significant yardage or scoring a touchdown in a single play
Exactly..thanks for proving our point
Posted on 10/4/13 at 9:00 am to VermilionTiger
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it typically makes use of at least seven defensive backs, leaving only four defensive linemen.
you're welcome
Posted on 10/4/13 at 9:01 am to elit4ce05
LSU running it's mustang package is a prevent defense?
It's really not hard to understand, at all. Prevent defense is to stop the deep TD pass with minimal time remaining.
Why the hell would you run 4+ DB's 50+ yards downfield with 3 minutes left? I could complete those passes. That's basically 5 on 3 in favor of the offense.
It's really not hard to understand, at all. Prevent defense is to stop the deep TD pass with minimal time remaining.
Why the hell would you run 4+ DB's 50+ yards downfield with 3 minutes left? I could complete those passes. That's basically 5 on 3 in favor of the offense.
This post was edited on 10/4/13 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/4/13 at 9:02 am to scrooster
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The real problem with blaming the Prevent Defense lies in the commentary, among the pundits and color analysts calling the game who incorrectly label the defenses they are seeing on the field ... and the uneducated fans believe them.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 9:04 am to elit4ce05
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What does Prevent Defense Mean?
This is a defensive strategy used in football when the defense believes the offense must pass the ball. This type of defense can take many forms, but it typically makes use of at least seven defensive backs, leaving only four defensive linemen. The goal of this strategy is to "prevent" the offense from gaining any significant yardage or scoring a touchdown in a single play, hence the name of the strategy. This defense will allow the offense to gain yardage within a limit that still prevents it from gaining the yards it needs to score.
Many articles on this...look it up.
That definition sums-up the utilization errors of the strategy itself. It makes no distinctions between the actual amount of points needed for the win, nor does it take into account the simple factor of time remaining on the clock.
Prevent D is a horrible strategy for attempting to prevent an opposing offense from moving into FG range for instance. Simply because ... while the one single play might move them to within FG distance, the most an offense might hope for is a 1st down and the clock would resume once the ball is set for play. If a team has no timeouts remaining then the play is wasted because, while the field position may be withing range of the kicker, there would be no time remaining to get set and get the play off.
Posted on 10/4/13 at 9:32 am to elit4ce05
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Prevent defense is an American football defensive alignment that uses seven or more defensive backs or players in a defensive back role
That is bullshite. You can play prevent defense in a damn 4-3.
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