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Has NIL actually changed the landscape of recruiting or just revealed reality?
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:56 am
If you take the collective amounts of money being spent by all P5 schools on NIL, you’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars being used to recruit and retain players.
Are you telling me that this amount of money has just been sitting around waiting for the day college athletes can get paid?
I get that the general public can now contribute a cool $15/month to “buy” their players, but I’m willing to bet that general contributions barely make up a fraction of NIL collective funds. It’s the big money guys spending obscene amounts of money on college football and basketball (like they always have) and now they can spend “extra” money on recruiting. It’s in addition to the gobs amount of money they’re donating to universities in general.
I’m not saying NIL hasn’t given the bag man a heavy dose of steroids, but it seems naive to think this hasn’t been going on behind the scenes for decades.
Are you telling me that this amount of money has just been sitting around waiting for the day college athletes can get paid?
I get that the general public can now contribute a cool $15/month to “buy” their players, but I’m willing to bet that general contributions barely make up a fraction of NIL collective funds. It’s the big money guys spending obscene amounts of money on college football and basketball (like they always have) and now they can spend “extra” money on recruiting. It’s in addition to the gobs amount of money they’re donating to universities in general.
I’m not saying NIL hasn’t given the bag man a heavy dose of steroids, but it seems naive to think this hasn’t been going on behind the scenes for decades.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:57 am
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:57 am to StringedInstruments
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Are you telling me that this amount of money has just been sitting around waiting for the day college athletes can get paid?
Nah, I think you've got the shady guys that were always paying plus a bunch of new "by the book" people.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:59 am to StringedInstruments
The bluebloods became bluebirds with the help of green.
The admin at Mizzou would never support bagmen. But now the admin can't do a damn thing. It finally gives a team like Mizzou a chance.
The admin at Mizzou would never support bagmen. But now the admin can't do a damn thing. It finally gives a team like Mizzou a chance.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:59 am to StringedInstruments
I don’t think it’s been the great equalizer that so many predicted. But it has worked out for some that were on the outside before. Namely Missouri.
You still have to build a program. Have a culture and develop players. Miami and Texas A&M are the notorious ones that went all in and that hasn’t exactly worked out.
You still have to build a program. Have a culture and develop players. Miami and Texas A&M are the notorious ones that went all in and that hasn’t exactly worked out.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:02 am to StringedInstruments
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If you take the collective amounts of money being spent by all P5 schools on NIL, you’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars being used to recruit and retain players.
Are you telling me that this amount of money has just been sitting around waiting for the day college athletes can get paid?
bviously no, it hasn't just been sitting around like in an escrow accoutn just waiting to be used. Nwo that paying everyone is legal you have "collectives" which is where all that money comes from. Back in the day staffs or boosters would have to scrounge up money from somewhere and then get it into recruit's hands somehow while trying their best to keep everything secret. Now everythign is above board so there's no secrets so boosters and corporations can donate to these collectives as much as they want.
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it seems naive to think this hasn’t been going on behind the scenes for decades.
paying players and recruits has always happened, nobody denies that. But not to the level it is now. Think about speed limits. If the speed limit on the interstate is 70, people are always goign to go ~80-85ish. That's just expected. Sure you may have one rando like hugh freeze go 110 instead but they're going to get caught real quick because it's so obvious. That's what it used to be. Now it's the audobahn where there is no speed limit and you can go as fast as your vehicle is able to take you. It's very very different tahn how it's been.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:02 am to StringedInstruments
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I’m not saying NIL hasn’t given the bag man a heavy dose of steroids, but it seems naive to think this hasn’t been going on behind the scenes for decades.
of course it has been going on for decades but with it being legal it opens the door for recruits to openly search the highest bidders. The boosters can also get something in return for their contributions. The schools with the wealthiest alumni, that support athletics, will eventually out bid most other schools.
If there are some T. Boone Pickens out there I expect those universities to buy the 5 stars.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:06 am to StringedInstruments
it's not really NIL in most cases. It's simply boosters buying players.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:08 am to StringedInstruments
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I’m not saying NIL hasn’t given the bag man a heavy dose of steroids, but it seems naive to think this hasn’t been going on behind the scenes for decades.
So money has been going around for decades. If it wasn't money, it was other things, like vehicles, free house to stay at, free food. But the amount of money being given out now is FAR greater than the amount of money given out back then. Not to mention endorsement deals these players can get paid for as well.
Its the combination of the NIL and the transfer portal thats changing college football. Power five coaches are much more likely to recruit out of the transfer portal to get players that are more mature physically, have playing time, shite like that. I forget who said it, but I really liked his point- something along the lines of its going to be harder for highschool kids to get scholarships to a P5 program. that its likely G5 programs pick them up, and then they hit the transfer portal after a year or 2 and get picked up by bigger schools.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:11 am to StringedInstruments
There are not a lot of well paid athletes in my equivalency sport, even after college... but i did grow up with a chick who couldn't do high school or college athletics because she took endorsement money after winning Olympic gold in 96, between 10th and 11th grade, and dropping another 2 individual golds in y2k. That shite is bogus af. It sickens me to see athletes significantly lesser than that pulling in 6 figures to sign.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:13 am to StringedInstruments
The impact of NIL hasn’t been realized yet but it looks promising for the sake of parity among Power 5 schools.
Some of the money that would’ve went to facilities and the upgrade of facilities is going to NIL.
Some of the money that would’ve went to facilities and the upgrade of facilities is going to NIL.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:17 am to Shaft Williams
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it looks promising for the sake of parity among Power 5 schools.
expanded playoffs will have a bigger effect IMO. There may be 4-5 schools now that can say come here bc we will play for a national title whereas with 12 team playoffs more teams can use this as a recruiting tool
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:22 am to StringedInstruments
It being open changes the game. Players can be completely open about what's being offered. And now it's not just the top 20 recruits, it's down to 3* and 4* players.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:22 am to Topwater Trout
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expanded playoffs will have a bigger effect IMO. There may be 4-5 schools now that can say come here bc we will play for a national title whereas with 12 team playoffs more teams can use this as a recruiting tool
Kids don't care about playoffs, though. They care about $.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:24 am to StringedInstruments
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I’m not saying NIL hasn’t given the bag man a heavy dose of steroids, but it seems naive to think this hasn’t been going on behind the scenes for decades.
Agree to an extent. NIL has cut out the influential uncle and job and house for mom in Oxford though.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:27 am to jonnyanony
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Kids don't care about playoffs, though. They care about $.
I disagree somewhat. We've seen guys hurry back from injury to play in the playoffs, while we see healthy guys sit out non-playoff bowl games.
They care enough about winning a title to put money at risk.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:27 am to jonnyanony
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Kids don't care about playoffs, though. They care about $.
It’ll be interesting to see teams ranked 10-12 in the expanded playoff. If they’re heavy underdogs to the 1-4, then will players opt out? Would NIL be able to compete with potential NFL draft money?
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:29 am to jonnyanony
If players get bonuses for playoff appearances they’ll care. Matter of fact, player bonuses may be the only thing to keep conference championships relevant.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:32 am to Shaft Williams
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Some of the money that would’ve went to facilities and the upgrade of facilities is going to NIL.
This is what we will probably see in the next years.
Schools could go to big money donors to get the locker rooms, stadiums, training rooms, etc. all redone to be the best.
Now a lot of that money goes into the players' pockets.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:46 am to StringedInstruments
It is certainly giving mid-tier schools in the B1G and SEC a bit more of a fighting chance. I don't know that NIL will really impact the overall landscape of recruiting: the blue bloods by and large still have the most resources and will continue to collect the most blue chip recruits. But, for schools like my Missouri Tigers, we can now spend resources to purchase guys who might have otherwise been content to be second or third on the depth chart at OU or Clemson but are four-star caliber starters themselves.
I would argue the bigger change to the recruiting landscape is the effect of the consolidation of power in the B1G and SEC. Presently, there are just four schools in the 2024 Top 25 Team Recruiting Rankings that will not be members of the B1G or SEC next season when these recruits hit campus (FSU, Miami, Notre Dame, and Clemson). The SEC has 13 of its 16 members in that Top 25. This trend will only be exacerbated once (not if) the ACC collapses. Once that happens, it is not farfetched to say that the other conferences will not have the ability for their member schools to put together competitive recruiting classes.
I would argue the bigger change to the recruiting landscape is the effect of the consolidation of power in the B1G and SEC. Presently, there are just four schools in the 2024 Top 25 Team Recruiting Rankings that will not be members of the B1G or SEC next season when these recruits hit campus (FSU, Miami, Notre Dame, and Clemson). The SEC has 13 of its 16 members in that Top 25. This trend will only be exacerbated once (not if) the ACC collapses. Once that happens, it is not farfetched to say that the other conferences will not have the ability for their member schools to put together competitive recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:49 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:52 am to StringedInstruments
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It’ll be interesting to see teams ranked 10-12 in the expanded playoff. If they’re heavy underdogs to the 1-4, then will players opt out? Would NIL be able to compete with potential NFL draft money?
I think we'll see opt-outs from all teams in the coming years.
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