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"Gentleman Joe" Alleva. LSU AD's new nickname.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:56 pm
Handshake seals the deal
Gentleman Joe pulls the trigger on Coach O in response to a fit of pique over Herman's lack of Gentlemanly Values.
For a Gentleman, a HANDSHAKE is enough to seal the deal. Doesn't everybody know this? What kind of coaching search, coaching hire world do we have when a handshake doesn't seal the deal?
Gentleman Joe pulls the trigger on Coach O in response to a fit of pique over Herman's lack of Gentlemanly Values.
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"It wasn’t about money,” the source said. “It wasn’t that Texas offered. It was about a gentleman’s handshake in place and you reneged.”
For a Gentleman, a HANDSHAKE is enough to seal the deal. Doesn't everybody know this? What kind of coaching search, coaching hire world do we have when a handshake doesn't seal the deal?
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:21 pm to Champagne
alleva = special needs child
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:23 pm to Champagne
Very naïve and incompetent
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:24 pm to Champagne
"Bitch" Alleva is more like it.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:26 pm to Champagne
I wish Joe could challenge Herman to a duel
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:27 pm to Champagne
Joe Alleva got played like a fiddle again
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:30 pm to genro
genro FYI if I throw around a statement that falls apart when analyzed closely please assume I have a bigger end goal in mind.
Just for future reference.
Just for future reference.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:32 pm to Champagne
It's pretty damn disturbing how clueless Alleva and LSU was in this situation. It was obvious all along Herman wanted Texas. It was very shady of Herman to have a verbal in place and back out but I suspect this isn't that unusual. I have no issue with the Horns in the matter but would like to see Herman flame out.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:37 pm to Champagne
I've been hesitant to criticize Alleva as much as some others have in the past, but even the people who wanted Orgeron to be hired can't look at this objectively and think that it was handled well. You can't even call it poor negotiating - he got offended that an agent would try to get the best deal for his client and refused to negotiate at all.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:39 pm to Brummy
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he got offended that an agent would try to get the best deal for his client and refused to negotiate at all.
What did you want him to do? Bidding war we would lose? Also sorry handshake agreement should mean something.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:41 pm to Champagne
If they both didn't spit into their palms first, it doesn't count. Joe should know these things.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:42 pm to thelawnwranglers
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What did you want him to do? Bidding war we would lose?
Have a better backup plan.
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Also sorry handshake agreement should mean something.
In this profession the only thing that means something is a check with a lot of zeros.
Saban showed us all the worth of honesty (aka nothing).
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:48 pm to thelawnwranglers
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What did you want him to do? Bidding war we would lose? Also sorry handshake agreement should mean something.
I want him to be an adult and understand the business he is running. The pos had weeks to have a plan together and he failed again. Love or hate Coach O, it doesn't matter to me, but his lack of aptitude as a AD is disturbing. Spineless at Duke and clueless at LSU.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:51 pm to thelawnwranglers
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I wish Joe could challenge Herman to a duel
Why, so Alleva could whine, cry, complain and throw a tantrum before refusing to go through with it?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:52 pm to thelawnwranglers
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What did you want him to do?
I'd like him to wait a couple hours and at least hear what the Texas offer was. Orgeron wasn't going anywhere - if the price was too high and you've determined Orgeron is your next best candidate, then give him the job.
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Bidding war we would lose?
We'll never know if that was the case because Joe couldn't even wait until lunchtime to take a phone call. Texas is going to pay around $17M to buy out Strong and his assistants. While I'm sure they can afford to pay that and pay Herman, that still looks bad from a PR standpoint, so who knows what the offer would have been or if Herman would have taken it.
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Also sorry handshake agreement should mean something.
I wish that were always the case, but when you're dealing with multi-million dollar contracts in the college football world, it's naïve to think so. Someone in Joe Alleva's position should understand that.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:52 pm to geauxtigs99
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The pos had weeks to have a plan together and he failed again.
No argument here
In a vacuum on the last few critical days with Herman I was good with him pulling offer.
Hopefully he said we have a had shake deal and we want you at LSU. If you decide to hear out UT our offer is off.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:55 pm to cardboardboxer
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Have a better backup plan.
This. In Alleva's world, there were three coaches and two of them had the fortitude to tell him they wanted more. That's called negotiating.
If he was smart, he would have told Herman's agent Thursday that if the deal leaks, the offer is off the table. Texas hadn't officially fired Strong or even shown interest in Herman yet. Herman had one big ticket in his hand without the promise of the ticket he really wanted (Texas).
Furthermore, there were more than two coaches out there who would have fit at LSU. Instead, Alleva rushed to name Orgeron on Saturday, presumably to save face. Why not continue, or better yet, start the search at that point? Orgeron would have been available four Saturdays from now.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:36 pm to geauxtigs99
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I want him to be an adult and understand the business he is running. The pos had weeks to have a plan together and he failed again. Love or hate Coach O, it doesn't matter to me, but his lack of aptitude as a AD is disturbing. Spineless at Duke and clueless at LSU.
Once Gentleman Joe realized that Herman's agent was using LSU to jack up the salary that Texas was willing to pay, the Gent became piqued.
The Gent called Herman's agent on the phone and said, "You, sir, are no Gentleman. A handshake closes the deal in MY world. I will now take action to SPITE YOU. I have a man in place already who wants the job! HA! YES! In order to teach YOU a lesson I will hire Ed Orgeron for the job! I'LL SHOW YOU!"
Yes, folks. Gentleman Joe Alleva REALLY showed Herman and Herman's agent.
But seriously, when you read all of the news stories, one gets the impression that the Gent hired Orgeron in a fit of pique and spite. What lunacy.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:57 pm to Champagne
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:59 pm to roger79
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Why, so Alleva could whine, cry, complain and throw a tantrum before refusing to go through with it?
Not how duel works
LSU honor restored or we get a good AD to replace one that died
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