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re: From Phil Steele: SEC teams # of returning starts on the o-line
Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:19 pm to ksayetiger
Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:19 pm to ksayetiger
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What are OL positions
Seriously.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:23 pm to volfan30
Are these starts at a projected position or anywhere on the OL?
I think UGA's # has to be similar to what it was coming into 2016.
I think UGA's # has to be similar to what it was coming into 2016.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:30 pm to volfan30
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11 Texas A&M 48
48 starts? EDIT: close, but I only count 47. One of those starts was at TE by Koda Martin.
Projected Starters:
LT - Koda Martin (3*)
LG - Erik McCoy (13)
C - Colton Prater (12)
RG - Colton Lanfear (8)
RT - Keaton Sutherland (11*)
* One of Koda Martin's starts was at Tight End. Sutherland started 4 games in 2016 and 7 in 2015.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 5:55 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
props for counting.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:52 pm to VFL1800FPD
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The result? an offense that Averaged 36 points per game and 31 points per SEC game
It was one of the best scoring offenses in UT history. Wasnt their fault the Defense was swiss cheese
Ouch. RatherBgolfing just got PWNT
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:54 pm to RatherBGolfing
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That season they were the third best rushing team in the state of Tennessee--behind Vandy and MTSU.
They threw the ball 40 times a game because they had Patterson, Rogers, Hunter, Rivera and Bray and because their defense got them behind 2 scores roughly 120 seconds into games. And they didn't have a great back. And, finally, they were a very good pass block line and an above average but not great power run line.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:20 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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I think UGA's # has to be similar to what it was coming into 2016.
UGA had about 65 returning starts coming into 2016, mostly Wynn, Pyke and Kublanow. For 2017, 26 of our 45 returning starts are by Isaiah Wynn. We do return 11 scholarship OL from last year by my count, mostly 3rd and 4th year guys. Hopefully in the second year under Chaney and Pittman they'll at least know who they're supposed to block.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:33 pm to volfan30
Unless you're signing five stars every year it's a big deal. Not sure about your QB situation but the offense should be solid.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That 2012 Tennessee offensive line was underachieving but good, though. They had an all-time terrible defense.
LT - Antonio Richardson (Undrafted, health)
LG - Dallas Thomas (3rd round, 26 NFL starts in 4 seasons)
C - James Stone (Undrafted, 10 NFL starts in 4 seasons)
RG - Zach Fulton (6th round, 38 NFL starts in 3 seasons)
RT - Ja'Wuan James (1st round, 39 NFL starts in 3 seasons)
2012 line wasn't underachieving, imo although the team as a whole was. QB had 18 years back there to throw - not that he needed it (Bray slung the ball so fast we had one of the higher plays run per game in CFB without being a HUNH team). 2012's pass pro was one of the best in CFB and that group an exceptional OL.
At run blocking they were weaker but then again we had Raijion Neal back there and that OL had 4 coaches in 4 years. Their last year in 2013, they learned to run block - weak compared to their pass pro but their pass pro was that good and the RB very mediocre. Even so, when actually taught to run block they did ok.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:27 pm to VivaZapata27
I tend to put greater weight on line positions as a measure of projecting overall strength of a team. Both OL and DL are the foundation that makes the rest of the skill positions shine. Without decent lines it is really tough to feel confident about anything.
Also, I feel that comparing both is necessary. Experienced lines on both sides provide the best measure. An experienced OL but inexperienced DL could indicate many shootout type games as the opposing offense may keep up with the offense driven by the experienced line. I am curious to see starts on DL compared to this.
This also isnt a fool proof measure. In 2015 I was ecstatic for GTs year in preseason as we returned a lot of experience on the Oline but we were missing Shaq Mason who went to thr Patriots from the great 2014 season. Turns out his leadership and skill was huge on our line. Our offense sputtered in 2015 because the line forgot how to play. Weirdest thing ever. But sometimes one player can make a unit.
Also, I feel that comparing both is necessary. Experienced lines on both sides provide the best measure. An experienced OL but inexperienced DL could indicate many shootout type games as the opposing offense may keep up with the offense driven by the experienced line. I am curious to see starts on DL compared to this.
This also isnt a fool proof measure. In 2015 I was ecstatic for GTs year in preseason as we returned a lot of experience on the Oline but we were missing Shaq Mason who went to thr Patriots from the great 2014 season. Turns out his leadership and skill was huge on our line. Our offense sputtered in 2015 because the line forgot how to play. Weirdest thing ever. But sometimes one player can make a unit.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:44 pm to AuburnTigers
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Funny how a lot of Auburn fans think the OL is an area of concern
It's an eyeball test. When you return a below average oline you hope it's better but there is no reason to believe it will be.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:13 pm to Tigerman97
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When you return a below average oline you hope it's better but there is no reason to believe it will be.
Dumb. Auburn has been blessed with some great OLs over the last several years. Just because they weren't great or elite doesn't mean they were below average.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:15 pm to BowlJackson
Lol at uga per the uze
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:49 am to RatherBGolfing
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That 2012 Tennessee offensive line was underachieving but good, though.
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You're saying they were good based on the NFL production. We're talking college here, brah.
That season they were the third best rushing team in the state of Tennessee--behind Vandy and MTSU.
You are looking at total rushing yards, obviously...not yards per carry. They averaged 4.7 yards per carry (4th best in the SEC).
Other indications that they were a good OL unit...
They threw the ball 477 times that season, and gave up 8 sacks. That is one sack for every 60 attempts.
They averaged 36.2 points per game (4th best in the SEC).
They averaged 315 passing yards per game (2nd best in the SEC).
They averaged 24.1 first downs per game (2nd best in the SEC).
2012 SEC Football Offensive Stats.
They didn't run a lot because Chaney was pass-happy. To say it wasn't a productive line is not accurate. That team lost games because the defense was the worst in UT history (giving up 35 points per game).
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:10 am to Prof
It really sucks about Antonio Richardson's knee. That dude was a hell of a prospect. A straight up freak. Very confident he would have been a top 10 pick making millions if not it.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:39 pm to RatherBGolfing
That's because Chaney can't call a run game to save his life.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:42 pm to Ericvol2096
But back to this year.
It is nice that we have all that experience back but two of our best players who will play a lot this year who aren't even counted in those numbers much at all in 5*'s Richmond and Smith.
TN's OL is going to be elite this year.
It is nice that we have all that experience back but two of our best players who will play a lot this year who aren't even counted in those numbers much at all in 5*'s Richmond and Smith.
TN's OL is going to be elite this year.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:49 pm to VFL1800FPD
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The result? an offense that Averaged 36 points per game and 31 points per SEC game
It was one of the best scoring offenses in UT history. Wasnt their fault the Defense was swiss cheese
That sounds like something Kliff Kingsbury would say.
Hang your hat on what you wish--no one looks anywhere other than one SEC win against Kentucky.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:51 pm to RatherBGolfing
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Hang your hat on what you wish--no one looks anywhere other than one SEC win against Kentucky.
If you're judging an OL by that you're fricking retarded.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:59 pm to RatherBGolfing
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Hang your hat on what you wish--no one looks anywhere other than one SEC win against Kentucky.
This is a thread about offensive lines and you are bringing up w/l records from 2012 like they mean something.
You implied our offense sucked in 2012 even though we had a lot of returning starters on the o-line. You were proven to be categorically wrong. Sit down.
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