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re: Florida's decline...
Posted on 12/22/13 at 3:18 am to tiger4178
Posted on 12/22/13 at 3:18 am to tiger4178
A lot of Florida fan's did, 2012 was Fool's Gold. Will Muschamp was always a horrible fit for UF and while he could be a great, maybe even Saban level coach someday, that time is a decade or so off in the future-- Florida's not the place to have your Michigan State (Saban), Bowling Green (Meyer) or Duke (Spurrier) years, the program's too big and the pressure and expectations are too high-
1) He should have been hired to coach an Ole Miss/Arky level program first if he wanted to break in at the BCS Conference level not a Florida/LSU/Alabama level program- somewhere he could get his feet wet and figure out how to be more than a great defensive coordinator.
2)A blue collar Bama-lite approach frankly isn't Florida football and even when he won it pissed off a large segment of our fanbase-- he is as big a mismatch for Florida's football culture as Rich Rod was for Michigan or an Air Raid HC would be at Bama-- somethings clash so hard with the established culture of a place that unless you're elite right away you just have no chance.
1) He should have been hired to coach an Ole Miss/Arky level program first if he wanted to break in at the BCS Conference level not a Florida/LSU/Alabama level program- somewhere he could get his feet wet and figure out how to be more than a great defensive coordinator.
2)A blue collar Bama-lite approach frankly isn't Florida football and even when he won it pissed off a large segment of our fanbase-- he is as big a mismatch for Florida's football culture as Rich Rod was for Michigan or an Air Raid HC would be at Bama-- somethings clash so hard with the established culture of a place that unless you're elite right away you just have no chance.
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Posted on 12/22/13 at 3:35 am to tiger4178
They are just one year off a pretty respectable year in which they beat both A&M and LSU
This year a limited offense, some injuries, and a tough schedule ended up snowballing on them. I like Boom but next year they will have to turn it around significantly or he's going to be in trouble.
This year a limited offense, some injuries, and a tough schedule ended up snowballing on them. I like Boom but next year they will have to turn it around significantly or he's going to be in trouble.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:08 am to molsusports
What decline we are ranked int the top 20 and moving up. Once Walker is cleared watch out. Florida is a basketball school now.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:11 am to Chantweaver
I think we should be top 10 next week. 
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:15 am to JCGator
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We'll be fine.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 8:02 am to tiger4178
Well, every great SEC program has these kind of stretches. Nothing really surprising.
Examples:
LSU in the 90's had 5 straight losing seasons. Hallman was terrible.
Bama sucked most of the shula years losing every game shula coached against LSU, AU, and I believe UT.
Tenn has sucked for a while.
UGA was 3-15 against AU, UF, UT under Goff and barely had a winning record overall.
AU has been the most consistent and has not really had a down period as bad as the rest of the Big 6 since the 1970's, but we were pretty terrible under Barfield.
UF is sorta like AU at this point. They will be back soon enough. Meyer left the program in bad shape talent wise and this is Muschamp's first HC position. He either figures it out next year or UF will get someone who will and turnarounds can happen fast either way.
Examples:
LSU in the 90's had 5 straight losing seasons. Hallman was terrible.
Bama sucked most of the shula years losing every game shula coached against LSU, AU, and I believe UT.
Tenn has sucked for a while.
UGA was 3-15 against AU, UF, UT under Goff and barely had a winning record overall.
AU has been the most consistent and has not really had a down period as bad as the rest of the Big 6 since the 1970's, but we were pretty terrible under Barfield.
UF is sorta like AU at this point. They will be back soon enough. Meyer left the program in bad shape talent wise and this is Muschamp's first HC position. He either figures it out next year or UF will get someone who will and turnarounds can happen fast either way.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 8:56 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Gators won't be down for too long. Too much talent in-state to stay where they are imo. A really good QB and they're back...
Posted on 12/22/13 at 10:23 am to harmonics
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Will win a national title again before LSU.
It is flowing through you. Let it.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 12:40 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I don't think they will be down for long, but honestly, last year was more of an outlier year than this year. WIthout the injuries, they wouldn't have been nearly as bad, but I still think they would have been average. 2012 they won 11 games by squeaking by most of their opponents. When everything evens out on the wash, they overachieved in 2012 and underachieved in 2013.
As to their coming back quickly, I am not so sure about that. Their OL is a total mess and very thin mess at the moment. What everyone keeps dismissing about AU, is that the talent was there with really no drop in recruiting. That talent just sat down and pouted last year. I know UF has some offensive talent coming in this year, but this talent seems to get to Gainesville and disappear of late. The defense should still be good.
We will see about the SEC East- I don't think USC and Missouri drop off too much next year, even with the personnel losses. Kentucky may eventually improve. Vandy steps back-mainly because I think they lose Franklin to Texas. UGA will be somewhat in the air. If the injured guys are all ready to go, then even with Mason replacing Murray and the OL replacing a few, UGA will be very hard to stop. Another year can only help the defense, and they will also be adding some more talented depth to the defensive backfield.
I think you will see UF with around 8 wins next year.
As to their coming back quickly, I am not so sure about that. Their OL is a total mess and very thin mess at the moment. What everyone keeps dismissing about AU, is that the talent was there with really no drop in recruiting. That talent just sat down and pouted last year. I know UF has some offensive talent coming in this year, but this talent seems to get to Gainesville and disappear of late. The defense should still be good.
We will see about the SEC East- I don't think USC and Missouri drop off too much next year, even with the personnel losses. Kentucky may eventually improve. Vandy steps back-mainly because I think they lose Franklin to Texas. UGA will be somewhat in the air. If the injured guys are all ready to go, then even with Mason replacing Murray and the OL replacing a few, UGA will be very hard to stop. Another year can only help the defense, and they will also be adding some more talented depth to the defensive backfield.
I think you will see UF with around 8 wins next year.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:25 pm to Benw225
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Gump logic at its finest. A 4-8 team has a better chance of winning a NC in the future than a 9-3 team.
frick logic in this case. 2012 Auburn went 3-9 yet they made it to the national championship the next season. 2012 LSU finished the regular season 10-2; they got worse and finished the 2013 season 9-3. Florida will soon snap their losing streak against Georgia, and another strong defense can win them 10 games.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:41 pm to Gardevoir
Way too much talent in that state for the flagship program to stay down long. Boom may not be the right coach though..
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:45 pm to tiger perry
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Way too much talent in that state for the flagship program to stay down long. Boom may not be the right coach though..
I can totally agree. Upvote.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:50 pm to tiger perry
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Way too much talent in that state for the flagship program to stay down long. Boom may not be the right coach though..
you may not have noticed how well fsu, miami and ucf have been recruiting. fsu seems to be the choice for the best in the state right now. it's always been kind of cyclical and getting rid of bowden combined with urban meyers crash seems to have tilted the scales to fsu right now.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:51 pm to LSU GrandDad
Except our recruiting is fine. Coaching and development sucks.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:56 pm to SoGaFan
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I don't think they will be down for long, but honestly, last year was more of an outlier year than this year
if you judge a program by their history that's wrong. This year was Florida's worst year of football in 40 years and they've had a lot of 11 plus win seasons in just the last 20 years
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:58 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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Stop diverting attention from the real #decline.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 5:59 pm to cornhat
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Except our recruiting is fine. Coaching and development sucks.
Yep. And I don't think it's all Muschamp. Coordinators and position coaches are underwhelming IMO
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:05 pm to LSU GrandDad
UCF
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Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:07 pm to deeprig9
quote:One made a change, the other didn't.
Florida 2013 reminds me of Auburn 2012.
Dismiss them at your own risk.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:30 pm to dhuck20
Yea, so it's more like 2011 Auburn. The best is yet to come!
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