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re: Everyone who thinks 2 SEC teams have a shot at getting to the playoff is wrong
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:44 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:44 am to Pettifogger
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UCLA
Already has two losses.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:44 am to JesusQuintana
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I would think a 1 loss SEC team would be more deserving than ND or Baylor
I'd agree with you. But neither of us is on the committee with Jim Delaney on speed dial.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:46 am to cokebottleag
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I'd agree with you. But neither of us is on the committee with Jim Delaney on speed dial
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:47 am to cokebottleag
There's no doubt a 1-loss SEC team would be more deserving than ND or Baylor, but there's no way in hell a second team would get in before ND. Baylor vs a second SEC team would be much more interesting given Baylor's joke of an OOC schedule. 1-loss Alabama would potentially have an extra advantage given a common opponent in WVU.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:51 am to cokebottleag
Auburn Alabama Miss St have played a total of two games between the 4 of them thus far, there are another 4 losses to split amongst them. mathematically, no more than one can end undefeated, no more than two can end with one loss, (and only if none end undefeated.)
The way I see it, the best possible scenario for SECx2 playoff attempt is
Georgia v Auburn doesn't matter
Alabama over Auburn
Ole Miss over Auburn
Ole Miss over Miss St
Alabama over Miss St
Ole Mis over Georgia
leaving Alabama demanding a spot over teams from Big10, big12, and probably ND
I think it is very unlikely FSU drops a game, undefeated they are getting in, even if they win all of their remaining games by 1 point and Winston is kicked off the team. You just don't drop the defending undefeated champs out of a playoff that has double the spots it did the previous year
Obv SEC champ is getting in before bama, thats two spots down
so you are rooting for the Pac12, the Big12, Notre Dame, and the Big10 to provide only 1 team with better claim to a spot.
Pac12 and Big12 will probably provide one 1-loss team between the two of them. A team like Oregon isn't going to get passed over for Alabama, I have a hard time seeing Kansas St, TCU, and Arizona being passed over, but they don't have the national appreciation Alabama does, so who knows.
Michigan State is going to win out, they would be further bolstered of Oregon is the 1 loss rep mentioned above. Notre Dame could legitimately win out, and Alabama would absolutely lose out resume-wise to Notre Dame. Notre Dame is also #1 in national draw.
so we need the perfect SEC results to playout, we need the Big12 to eat itself, AND the Pac-12 to eat itself, and we need ND to lose a game
what odds would you place on all that happening? 1 in 200? The SEC isn't getting two teams into the playoff because it's not going to play out that way, not because there is a driving force from the nation to deny the SEC.
The way I see it, the best possible scenario for SECx2 playoff attempt is
Georgia v Auburn doesn't matter
Alabama over Auburn
Ole Miss over Auburn
Ole Miss over Miss St
Alabama over Miss St
Ole Mis over Georgia
leaving Alabama demanding a spot over teams from Big10, big12, and probably ND
I think it is very unlikely FSU drops a game, undefeated they are getting in, even if they win all of their remaining games by 1 point and Winston is kicked off the team. You just don't drop the defending undefeated champs out of a playoff that has double the spots it did the previous year
Obv SEC champ is getting in before bama, thats two spots down
so you are rooting for the Pac12, the Big12, Notre Dame, and the Big10 to provide only 1 team with better claim to a spot.
Pac12 and Big12 will probably provide one 1-loss team between the two of them. A team like Oregon isn't going to get passed over for Alabama, I have a hard time seeing Kansas St, TCU, and Arizona being passed over, but they don't have the national appreciation Alabama does, so who knows.
Michigan State is going to win out, they would be further bolstered of Oregon is the 1 loss rep mentioned above. Notre Dame could legitimately win out, and Alabama would absolutely lose out resume-wise to Notre Dame. Notre Dame is also #1 in national draw.
so we need the perfect SEC results to playout, we need the Big12 to eat itself, AND the Pac-12 to eat itself, and we need ND to lose a game
what odds would you place on all that happening? 1 in 200? The SEC isn't getting two teams into the playoff because it's not going to play out that way, not because there is a driving force from the nation to deny the SEC.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:54 am to cokebottleag
Why does an Aggie fan even care? The 4 team playoff is something you'll never see.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:54 am to cokebottleag
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No they don't.
So Bama goes 11-1 which would include a win over (then #1) MSU and there only loss is to (presumably #1 at season end) undefeated Ole Miss, they don't both get in? You're out of your fricking mind.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:58 am to BearBait09
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Michigan State is going to win out
This is not a given. ONE of Michigan State or Ohio State is going to win out. That is highly likely.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:58 am to cokebottleag
Hell, two ACC teams could get in this year. Well, one ACC team and one who plays a half schedule (whatever the frick that is).
But I disagree, two will get in at some point, if not this year.
But I disagree, two will get in at some point, if not this year.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:00 pm to cokebottleag
You're an idiot. LSU and Alabama would have both gotten in the final four had we had a playoff in 2011. Bama was obviously the best team in the country after it all played out and LSU was ranked #1 and undefeated. While it was surely subjective before 1-9 who was the BEST team, there is no fricking way that an unbiased committee member could have put THREE other teams besides LSU ahead of Bama. Again, you sir, are an idiot.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:01 pm to cokebottleag
You're spot on with the reasoning for fast-tracking the playoff. Remains to be seen how impartial they will be.
Problem is that the criteria is subjective and thus can always be argued as such by non-SEC people. Therefore you are probably right.
Problem is that the criteria is subjective and thus can always be argued as such by non-SEC people. Therefore you are probably right.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:01 pm to bigpapamac
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There's no way 2 would get in today,
You're right. If it happened today, we would have a damn good argument for 3, and there's no way they are keeping 2 out.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:04 pm to cokebottleag
Duh, what, you just wake up or something?
The polls were subjective. The committee will be subjective. The ONLY objective way to form a playoff is to only allow conference champions - otherwise it's just a subjective group of people who are going to piss one part of the country off or another.
The polls were subjective. The committee will be subjective. The ONLY objective way to form a playoff is to only allow conference champions - otherwise it's just a subjective group of people who are going to piss one part of the country off or another.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:11 pm to Cheese Grits
If the committee selects the four best teams at least two will come form the SEC. However, the committee will never select the four best teams because the members will compromise to select the non-SEC teams that they think have the best chance of winning against the SEC champion.
The playoff was designed to make the SEC champion run a gauntlet.
There should be an eight team playoff which included the five power conference champions and the next three highest rated teams.
The playoff was designed to make the SEC champion run a gauntlet.
There should be an eight team playoff which included the five power conference champions and the next three highest rated teams.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:12 pm to cokebottleag
If the final polls look anything like the current, then there is no way in the world they could stop it from happening. It would be a greater tragedy than anything the prior BCS format had done.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:14 pm to Whiznot
quote:I agree - the entire country and every conference commissioner are sick and tired of the SEC's dominance.
The playoff was designed to make the SEC champion run a gauntlet.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:16 pm to engie
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If it happened today
I should've clarified, I meant projecting forward from today we wouldn't get two in if you project an unbeaten FSU, a 1-loss Oregon, and a 1-loss champ from the Big 10 or Big 12. Plus 1-loss ND. There'd be no way a second 1-loss SEC team gets in. Obviously there is plenty of time left for many upsets to take place, as they always do.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:18 pm to CoachDon
quote:Can't happen MSU/OM/UA/AU/UGA still have to cannibalize each other to some extent which will drop the losers out of the running.
If the final polls look anything like the current, then there is no way in the world they could stop it from happening. It would be a greater tragedy than anything the prior BCS format had done.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:28 pm to cokebottleag
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there are still people here who think FSU and Clemson are potential SEC members.
Incredibly ignorant ones. The SEC stands to gain absolutely zero by adding either tater tech or the clown school bc of already having SCar and Florida. If we expand again, it will be so that we corner the market in 2 states that do not already have members in this conference. I don't know why some ppl have such a difficult time processing that.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:30 pm to BearBait09
UGA loses to Auburn then wins SECCG. Would a 2 loss SEC champ get in over 1 loss teams?
Would a 11-2 UGA get in over
1 loss
ND
Ole Miss (in title game or loser of egg bowl)
Miss State (in title game or loser of egg bowl)
ND
Oregon
Baylor
TCU
KSU
among others...
Would a 11-2 UGA get in over
1 loss
ND
Ole Miss (in title game or loser of egg bowl)
Miss State (in title game or loser of egg bowl)
ND
Oregon
Baylor
TCU
KSU
among others...
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