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re: ESPN: UGA & DC Pruitt's Defense Facing An Uphill Battle
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:00 pm to silverdawg
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:00 pm to silverdawg
Fantastic spinjob by the Dawgs in here.
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:08 pm to CNB
You're not buying it CNB?
Posted on 6/7/14 at 8:18 pm to silverdawg
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Ask Clemson how Pruitt's defense works which Held Clemson to 3 points less than Clowneys Cocks last year...
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:33 pm to ConwayGamecock
I'll play along before I start back studying, I guess.
Well...yeah, we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. What style D is USCe running this year? Sticking with the same system? I've heard conflicting reports.
Hey, there's nothing like being selective with your stats. I can do the same: Our rush D improved from 7th in the SEC to 3rd. Our total D rank stood pat at 4th...yet we gave up 50 yards fewer per game.
Wut? I actually did predict an improvement on D from 2012 to 2013...in the rushing department. And I predicted a drastic decline in the passing department. The rush D improved from 12th in the conference to 6th. The pass D dropped from 2nd to 9th.
And?
Garrison Smith was the only senior we had. I'm not even sure what "the upperclassmen like Smith are gone" statement means. Feel free to help me see the light.
...the article came out after the 3rd underclassman from last year's team was booted. I assume he was talking primarily about JHC, Shaq, and Tray given the timing of the article. Last I checked, they are not on the team. Leaders at Louisville? Sure, I'll spot you that one, assuming that's what you meant.
This is news to me.
Amarlo Herrera: Has started 30 games in his career.
Damian Swann: Has started 28 games in his career.
Jordan Jenkins: Has started 19 games in his career.
Ray Drew: Had 6 sacks last year.
But only if they were known! I'm surprised I was able to remember their names.
So, if you're keeping score at home, we return 8 of 11 starters (9 if you count Drew, Bailey and Mayes all as starters - depending on the package). 7 of them being at least 3 years removed high school. We'll replace Garrison Smith with another upperclassman (Bailey, Drew, or Mayes, whichever one you prefer to not consider a starter in 2013).
We return 6 from the front 7 that finished 6th in rush D last year. I doubt that will be a weakness of the team.
Our pass rush should be pretty good:
Floyd - 6.5 sacks in 2013
Drew - 6
Jenkins - 5
Wilson - 4
Everybody's favorite topic is always the secondary. We're going to play the majority of our defensive snaps in nickel like we did last year. We return 3 DBs of the 5 who started the most games last year.
I'm going to be on pins and needles until we find that #2 CB and NB, though. Good thing Pruitt's focus is the DB group.
What clown wrote this article?
The UF grad...that wrote for the Gainesville Sun before moving to ESPN. I bet he just loves UGA and Pruitt.
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In 2010, UGA's defense struggled but it was said then- DC Todd Grantham hadn't yet gotten his type of players in the system yet.
Well...yeah, we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. What style D is USCe running this year? Sticking with the same system? I've heard conflicting reports.
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In 2011, UGA's defense seemed to improve, even though it finished 6th in the SEC in scoring D compared to 5th in 2010.
Hey, there's nothing like being selective with your stats. I can do the same: Our rush D improved from 7th in the SEC to 3rd. Our total D rank stood pat at 4th...yet we gave up 50 yards fewer per game.
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In 2012, despite having a 2-deep on defense full of future NFL draft picks, it was again 6th in the conf. in scoring and total defense. The consensus was that the defense was plagued with too many prima-donnas looking ahead to their NFL futures, and that the influx of youth and inexperience for 2013 would be addition by subtraction.
Wut? I actually did predict an improvement on D from 2012 to 2013...in the rushing department. And I predicted a drastic decline in the passing department. The rush D improved from 12th in the conference to 6th. The pass D dropped from 2nd to 9th.
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In 2013 the UGA defense again struggles, which ultimately costs Grantham his job. New Man Jeremy Pruitt instills confidence into the fanbase that at last HE is the answer and will get the defense running as it should.
And?
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There was an article recently where former DT Garrison Smith made new concerning claims: this time it wasn't the talented upperclassmen - like he - to blame for UGA's defensive woes in 2013, it was the underclassmen who rose quickly to starting roles without much competition, that accounted for the dysfunction. The upperclassmen like Smith are gone
Garrison Smith was the only senior we had. I'm not even sure what "the upperclassmen like Smith are gone" statement means. Feel free to help me see the light.
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those underclassmen still remain on the roster, and will be looked to to be the leaders now.
...the article came out after the 3rd underclassman from last year's team was booted. I assume he was talking primarily about JHC, Shaq, and Tray given the timing of the article. Last I checked, they are not on the team. Leaders at Louisville? Sure, I'll spot you that one, assuming that's what you meant.
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Outside of the linebacker group, especially Floyd and Wilson, there are a lot of unknowns
This is news to me.
Amarlo Herrera: Has started 30 games in his career.
Damian Swann: Has started 28 games in his career.
Jordan Jenkins: Has started 19 games in his career.
Ray Drew: Had 6 sacks last year.
But only if they were known! I'm surprised I was able to remember their names.
So, if you're keeping score at home, we return 8 of 11 starters (9 if you count Drew, Bailey and Mayes all as starters - depending on the package). 7 of them being at least 3 years removed high school. We'll replace Garrison Smith with another upperclassman (Bailey, Drew, or Mayes, whichever one you prefer to not consider a starter in 2013).
We return 6 from the front 7 that finished 6th in rush D last year. I doubt that will be a weakness of the team.
Our pass rush should be pretty good:
Floyd - 6.5 sacks in 2013
Drew - 6
Jenkins - 5
Wilson - 4
Everybody's favorite topic is always the secondary. We're going to play the majority of our defensive snaps in nickel like we did last year. We return 3 DBs of the 5 who started the most games last year.
I'm going to be on pins and needles until we find that #2 CB and NB, though. Good thing Pruitt's focus is the DB group.
What clown wrote this article?
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Edward Aschoff
The UF grad...that wrote for the Gainesville Sun before moving to ESPN. I bet he just loves UGA and Pruitt.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:56 pm to ConwayGamecock
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ESPN: UGA & DC Pruitt's Defense Facing An Uphill Battle
sure. The secondary issues are hard to ignore.
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Just what is going on with your football program, Bulldogs, and why would such a stern disciplinarian and overall Saint like Head Coach Mark Richt be at the helm of such a mess??
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:13 pm to MenloDawg
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Well...yeah, we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. What style D is USCe running this year? Sticking with the same system? I've heard conflicting reports.
We'll still be a base 4-2-5, but you'll see more 3-3-5 and 3-4-4 perhaps than in past seasons...
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Hey, there's nothing like being selective with your stats. I can do the same: Our rush D improved from 7th in the SEC to 3rd. Our total D rank stood pat at 4th...yet we gave up 50 yards fewer per game.
I wasn't that selective......I did say UGA's D "seemed" to improve, didn't I? The run defense did improve, but the total D and scoring D was essentially the same. In 2010 UGA's opponents ran the ball against them the 4th-most of all SEC teams - in 2011 they ran the ball the 2nd fewest, behind only Bama's opponents. Despite only averaging 0.50 ypc fewer, they averaged about 8 carries a game less in 2011 than in 2010. IMO it wasn't because UGA's run D was so stout - it was simply because their opponents just chose to throw the ball more...
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Wut? I actually did predict an improvement on D from 2012 to 2013...in the rushing department. And I predicted a drastic decline in the passing department. The rush D improved from 12th in the conference to 6th. The pass D dropped from 2nd to 9th.
Wut? A "consensus" isn't one poster's opinion...go check back that preseason. UGA fans here were spinning how the departure of all that pro talent was going to be a plus somehow for UGA in 2013...
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Garrison Smith was the only senior we had. I'm not even sure what "the upperclassmen like Smith are gone" statement means. Feel free to help me see the light.
...the article came out after the 3rd underclassman from last year's team was booted. I assume he was talking primarily about JHC, Shaq, and Tray given the timing of the article. Last I checked, they are not on the team. Leaders at Louisville? Sure, I'll spot you that one, assuming that's what you meant.
I was just saying that Smith seemed to imply that the upperclassmen knew what paying dues meant, while the underclassmen were entitled. I was just pointing out that a lot of that upperclassmen are now out of the program, leaving it in the hands of those underclassmen that Smith was critical of. Doesn't sound good to me...
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This is news to me.
Amarlo Herrera: Has started 30 games in his career.
Damian Swann: Has started 28 games in his career.
Jordan Jenkins: Has started 19 games in his career.
Ray Drew: Had 6 sacks last year.
But only if they were known! I'm surprised I was able to remember their names.
Well, he DID say "outside of the LB group", and 2 of the 4 you list are LBs....
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:25 pm to ConwayGamecock
Well, the author underestimates our front 7. They should be one of the best in the SEC which should allow the secondary to be average and have time to grow as a unit without tanking the whole team.
Nice research, but Buttsmear has a whole different atmosphere in the halls now. Anyone that doesn't see the difference in Pruitt and Grantham isn't paying attention. Grantham said he'd do all kinds of things, but never really backed any of it up beyond bringing in creative schemes (can't knock them man here, he is one of the best in drawing up plays/scheme). He didn't recruit like he said, outside of pass rushers, nor did he produce the aggressive, attacking defense he promised upon arrival.
FTR, Grantham never produced a good defense. He just had Jarvis fricking Jones and no defensive coordinator could screw that up.
(Maybe you could screw that up by having an inexplicable preference for the slow, skinny white kid that can't hit, but who would be that retarded, right UT fans?
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Nice research, but Buttsmear has a whole different atmosphere in the halls now. Anyone that doesn't see the difference in Pruitt and Grantham isn't paying attention. Grantham said he'd do all kinds of things, but never really backed any of it up beyond bringing in creative schemes (can't knock them man here, he is one of the best in drawing up plays/scheme). He didn't recruit like he said, outside of pass rushers, nor did he produce the aggressive, attacking defense he promised upon arrival.
FTR, Grantham never produced a good defense. He just had Jarvis fricking Jones and no defensive coordinator could screw that up.
(Maybe you could screw that up by having an inexplicable preference for the slow, skinny white kid that can't hit, but who would be that retarded, right UT fans?
)Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:29 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Georgia may be staring a .500 season in the face this year.
1/10, there is literally a 0% chance of this.
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I would think Dawg fans would want to move in a new direction with a new coach. It looks like it is time to shake things up over there in Athens.
People don't realize that changing DC's under Richt is pretty much the equivalent of a new head coach as far as culture change goes. With CMR the offensive side of the ball has been great. We had a lull during the transition from Richt to Bobo, but since around '10, we've been rock solid both on and off the field. People like to talk about troublemakers, but the only guy on O that was ever a major problem was Crowell. That is 1 guy in 3-4 years. There isn't a problem there.
Defense has been the issue with a poor DC that had no discipline followed by a slightly better, but still bad DC that also enforced no discipline. Our DC is literally a "Head Coach of the Defense", not just a coordinator. Grantham had and Pruitt has complete autonomy in recruiting, coaching, play-calling, etc. Cutting that dead weight and pulling the coup that brought Pruitt to Athens was just such a shakeup as you talk about, there is a new direction. It is evident in the way he is handling Wiggins, JHC, and Matthews and in the way he is recruiting. The road may be a bit rocky at first, but we've got a fantastically talented front 7 and one of the best DB coaches in the league with some absolute gems in the incoming class. We'll be fine so long as Tracy Rocker and the LB coaches can handle their units.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:32 pm to ConwayGamecock
Uphill battle my arse. Did they see our defensive play last year or did they just crawl from under a rock. The talent is there to be coached. Our front 7's, 2 deep is just as talented as anyone's across the board. There is no question about the front 7. Everyone is concerned about the secondary because of the dismissals. Did you see how good that secondary made GT's BQ look? Wiggins, Harvey-Clemons and Matthews are the ones gone but when have losing underachievers hurt a team? Everyone say we will miss Harvey-Clemons because he was one of the leading tacklers on the team, Well so was Rambo the year before. We don't need our secondary leading the team in tackles that's the job of the front 7. The fact is the 3 that's gone was part of a pathetic performance by our secondary last year. They had potential to be good and so do their replacements.
Shattle Fenteng-#1 at his position out of JUCO
Malkom Parrish - Way better athlete than Wiggins
Quincy Mauger- Same physique as Matthews but not as big a hitter. Did display better cover skills as a true freshman.
others in the mix is former My. South Carolina Tramel Terry, Corey Moore and J.J. Green. From what I see I don't see an uphill battle just players needing a good coach, and speaking of a good coach...
Grantham out-Pruitt in
Shattle Fenteng-#1 at his position out of JUCO
Malkom Parrish - Way better athlete than Wiggins
Quincy Mauger- Same physique as Matthews but not as big a hitter. Did display better cover skills as a true freshman.
others in the mix is former My. South Carolina Tramel Terry, Corey Moore and J.J. Green. From what I see I don't see an uphill battle just players needing a good coach, and speaking of a good coach...
Grantham out-Pruitt in
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:44 pm to ConwayGamecock
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I was just saying that Smith seemed to imply that the upperclassmen knew what paying dues meant, while the underclassmen were entitled. I was just pointing out that a lot of that upperclassmen are now out of the program, leaving it in the hands of those underclassmen that Smith was critical of. Doesn't sound good to me...
You just misinterpreted what Garrison was trying to say. He was taking a shot at Wiggins and Matthews and making a point of how they came in with huge egos and walked into starting spots and never got knocked down a peg by the entrenched starters that we didn't have. So they acted like punks and you see where that got the defense last year...worst in UGA history.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:47 pm to DawgRff
There are fans of two teams on here worried about our defense and yet we scored 41 on South Carolina and 44 on LSU you would think that they would be worried about their own teams defense.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:58 pm to GurleyManandProud020
Downvote for you pal.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:02 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Oh my god I have been down voted how will I ever deal with it.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:06 pm to GurleyManandProud020
Uphill battle?
Of course it is an uphill battle. We have a new DC.
When does a team hire a new DC and say, "well... it's all down hill from here?"
The work is just beginning. We're stacked on the front 7. We just have to get them lighter, quicker, and more comfortable with the new calls.
Pruitt's forte is stopping the run. And that is the most important job of a DC (and yes... that heavily involves our safeties for the dawgfan who doesn't want our db's getting tackles). If we win 1st and 2nd down with our run blitz, then we'll get turnovers on 3rd down regardless.
Of course it is an uphill battle. We have a new DC.
When does a team hire a new DC and say, "well... it's all down hill from here?"
The work is just beginning. We're stacked on the front 7. We just have to get them lighter, quicker, and more comfortable with the new calls.
Pruitt's forte is stopping the run. And that is the most important job of a DC (and yes... that heavily involves our safeties for the dawgfan who doesn't want our db's getting tackles). If we win 1st and 2nd down with our run blitz, then we'll get turnovers on 3rd down regardless.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:17 pm to meansonny
Time for Georgia to bring Muschamp home. He has done enough to undermine Florida for 5 years at least. Richt is getting stale.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:21 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Y'all might want to think about getting rid of old Les, if Richt is on the hot seat and he beat old Les last year well what does that say for your head coach.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:29 pm to Firewind
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UGA's defense will be more than adequate to win the SEC and the National Championship!
Posted on 6/8/14 at 2:10 am to ConwayGamecock
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We'll still be a base 4-2-5, but you'll see more 3-3-5 and 3-4-4 perhaps than in past seasons...
I look forward to seeing what Gurley can do to that new 3 man front.
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I wasn't that selective......I did say UGA's D "seemed" to improve, didn't I? The run defense did improve, but the total D and scoring D was essentially the same. In 2010 UGA's opponents ran the ball against them the 4th-most of all SEC teams - in 2011 they ran the ball the 2nd fewest, behind only Bama's opponents. Despite only averaging 0.50 ypc fewer, they averaged about 8 carries a game less in 2011 than in 2010. IMO it wasn't because UGA's run D was so stout - it was simply because their opponents just chose to throw the ball more...
If you want to argue that our D didn't improve from '10 to '11, then there's no helping you. You realize the '10 D had no Jarvis Jones, no John Jenkins and Ogletree was a skinny freshman still playing safety?
'10 TOs Gained: 26 (Tied for 5th in SEC)
'11 TOs Gained: 32 (Tied for 1st)
'10 Opp. 3rd Down Conversion %: 42% (12th - good for last in 2010)
'11 Opp. 3rd Down Conversion %: 29% (3rd)
'10 Sacks: 24 (9th)
'11 Sacks: 35 (2nd)
'10 TFL: 79 (9th)
'11 TFL: 100 (2nd)
The defense was very good in 2011. The offense shat the bed over and over with TOs. Blair Walsh had an awful year that changed the complexion of games. The return D teams struggled. You might remember the USCe game as a specific example of all of this. We wouldn't have been in the SECCG if it wasn't for the D. I'm not even sure what benefit you have to gain from criticizing the '11 D.
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Wut? A "consensus" isn't one poster's opinion...go check back that preseason. UGA fans here were spinning how the departure of all that pro talent was going to be a plus somehow for UGA in 2013.
You'll just have to show me. Link something. I can't believe that a majority of UGA posters on this site actually said this. We may have expected to better than we were in the first half of 2012 given that 4 starters were suspended for multiple games to start the year. That's not very outlandish. I highly doubt any UGA posters expected any performances similar to the UF game in 2012, though.
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leaving it in the hands of those underclassmen that Smith was critical of. Doesn't sound good to me...
Yeah, so, once again: JHC, Shaq, and Tray are gone. JHC, multiple suspensions. Shaq looking for some team that would embrace his attitude. Tray, multiple instances of being a complete moron. I think Pruitt came in and trimmed the fat quite effectively.
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Well, he DID say "outside of the LB group", and 2 of the 4 you list are LBs....
He specifically mentioned the 2 LBs that are the least experienced of the four. Crack work over there by the four letter network. Aschoff is crushing it.
Then you proceeded to conveniently ignore the most pertinent part of the post: what we actually return in 2014.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 2:12 am to Phat Phil
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UGA has zero secondary. Their pass defense will be among the worst in the country.
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Phat Phil
You're owning that username; I don't hate your shtick.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 2:30 am to genuineLSUtiger
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genuineLSUtiger
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LSU may be staring a .500 season in the face this year. That combined with the off the field issues and signing a drunk QB who couldn't keep it in his pants in a desperate attempt to compete with other members of the Big 6 (ultimately failing, btw) could be the beginning of the end of the Miles era - Perriloux, Badger, Hill, Holmes, etc. I would think Tigah fans would want to move in a new direction with a new coach. After failing to reload on D and watching Anthony Jennings go 7-19 for 82 yds w/ 1 INT and 3 sacks (w/ OBJ, Landry and Hill, mind you), it looks like it is time to shake things up over there in Red Stick.
FIFY
This post was edited on 6/8/14 at 2:31 am
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