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DeBoer was right. Athletes can play amid sexual misconduct inquiries
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:35 am
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:36 am to Shaft Williams
DeBoer had no say in it. It’s a title 9 investigation. The administration has the final word.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:11 am to CapstoneGrad06
The coach always has final say on who plays and who doesn’t. If the coach decides someone can’t play or practice, then that’s it.
It’s weak men who rely on policy to avoid the weight of leadership.
It’s weak men who rely on policy to avoid the weight of leadership.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:18 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:14 am to Hugh McElroy
Incidentally, while charges were only recently brought against A&M starter Marble, I’m glad Buzz didn’t wait to do the right thing. According to this policy, Buzz could have left him on the team all season. Maybe we would have beat Houston and made a final 4 for the first time ever.
I’m glad Buzz didn’t wait for legal charges to be filed.
I’m glad Buzz didn’t wait for legal charges to be filed.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:16 am to Hugh McElroy
Tell that to the ghost of Mike Leach. He kicked the Sorry arse James boy off the team and got fired.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:17 am to Hugh McElroy
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It’s weak men who rely on policy to avoid the weight of leadership.
It's also weak minds and ill intent that believe everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Meaning, that every case is different and should be handled just that way.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:19 am to CapstoneGrad06
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DeBoer had no say in it.
I'm not commenting about any sexual misconduct stuff, but when did a coach lose the right to decide who is playing for him or not? Did the administration really tell Deboer he had to play whichever player you are talking about?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:20 am to bamameister
Sure. I hope Alabama’s coach isn’t running from the responsibility of his decision (right or wrong) like Alabama fans are.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:22 am to Hugh McElroy
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The coach always had final say on who plays and who doesn’t. If the coach decides someone can’t play or practice, then that’s it.
It’s weak men who rely on policy to avoid the weight of leadership.
The problem here is that if you suspend a guy for what people find out to be sexual assault allegations, it potentially opens your University up to litigation if the allegations are false. It would absolutely do damage to the individual’s reputation. He would almost certainly need to transfer, then who takes a risk on him once he makes that decision?
In this instance, the University administration and Title IX department made the decision to both suspend and reinstate (a very short time later), based on the information they had. Police didn’t bring charges until 5 months after the fact.
So, while I’m sure the view is real nice up on that moral high ground, the reality is it’s never that simple, due process exists for a reason, and so do University policies & procedures.
Suspending a player based on allegation alone is a mind numbingly stupid decision.
And to clarify, you’re of the belief that if the Title IX department clears the player to return, the coach should suspend him anyway?
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:24 am to Tuscaloosa
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Suspending a player based on allegation alone is a mind numbingly stupid decision.
Of course that’s true. So say that. He needs to say, “I didn’t suspend him because, based on the information I had at the time, that would have been the wrong thing to do.”
Don’t be a pussy and rely on policy.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:26 am to Hugh McElroy
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It’s weak men who rely on policy to avoid the weight of leadership.
I’ll contend it’s weak men who make decisions based on their fear of public backlash instead of doing what’s right based on the information available. If it’s good enough for a whole arse Title IX department to give the nod, it sure as shite should be good enough for the head coach, who has access to a fraction of the information.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:26 am to Tuscaloosa
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nd to clarify, you’re of the belief that if the Title IX department clears the player to return, the coach should suspend him anyway?
If I were a coach, and I had strong reason to believe one of my players raped someone, I ain’t playing him.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:27 am to Hugh McElroy
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If I were a coach, and I had strong reason to believe one of my players raped someone, I ain’t playing him.
And to clarify further, you would have strong belief one of your players raped someone after a Title IX investigation concluded he was okay to return?
Is that right?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:27 am to Tuscaloosa
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If it’s good enough for a whole arse Title IX department to give the nod, it sure as shite should be good enough for the head coach, who has access to a fraction of the information.
You have a seriously misguided understanding of title IX departments.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:29 am to Hugh McElroy
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Of course that’s true. So say that. He needs to say, “I didn’t suspend him because, based on the information I had at the time, that would have been the wrong thing to do.”
What else could it have meant? At some point, interjecting common sense into the equation needs to be a part of the decision. Due process is as much a part of the solution as the eventual facts in the case.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:29 am to Tuscaloosa
The title IX department didn’t clear the kid of charges, for the record.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:30 am to Shaft Williams
Also, if I haven’t said it today, go frick yourself internet alter Shaft Williams. 
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:30 am to Hugh McElroy
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The title IX department didn’t clear the kid of charges, for the record.
There were no charges at the time, for the record.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:32 am to Tuscaloosa
That depends on what you mean by charges, I suppose.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:32 am to Hugh McElroy
Can you address this?
You would have strong belief one of your players raped someone after a Title IX investigation concluded he was okay to return and the University administration agreed?
What would you be basing that strong believe off of if you weren’t provided details by the victim herself?
You would have strong belief one of your players raped someone after a Title IX investigation concluded he was okay to return and the University administration agreed?
What would you be basing that strong believe off of if you weren’t provided details by the victim herself?
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