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Congrats to BaseVOL Todd Helton on MLB Hall of Fame!

Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:24 pm
Posted by Serraneaux
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:24 pm
Well deserved

Joins Frank Thomas from Auburn
Posted by MetryMauler
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:09 pm to
Special thanks to Coors Field for inflating his stats.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:13 pm to
Sheeeesh I'm really getting old.

I remember that great series he had against us at Joe Riley park in Charleston 20+ years ago.

He was a really good player.
Posted by The Vin Man
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2018
179 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:25 pm to
You should check his visitor games stats before making that comment.
Posted by MetryMauler
Member since Sep 2016
7132 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:50 pm to
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You should check his visitor games stats before making that comment.


.287 career on the road. .345 at home.

Oof.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
2655 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:53 pm to
The night that Tennessee beat the shite out of Georgia with Todd frigging Helton at quarterback was probably the low point of the '90s.
Posted by KapaluaVol
San Diego
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:48 pm to
Cuck
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:38 pm to
Spent many a day watching Helton, Gallaraga, Bichette, Larry Walker etc in Coors Field.

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Helton’s road numbers were solid: .287/.386/.469. And consider this: Helton’s career .855 OPS away from Coors Field is better than the road numbers of several Hall of Famers, including Dave Winfield (.841), Eddie Murray (.838), Rickey Henderson (.836), Tony Gwynn (.835), Al Kaline (.827) and George Brett (.825).
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:52 pm to
Weird how LSU doesn’t have any MLB Hall of Famers

Lmao
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 5:54 am to
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Special thanks to Coors Field for inflating his stats.




Really???

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Stripping out his Coors Field numbers entirely, Helton was a great hitter. In 4,612 road plate appearances, the slugging first baseman hit .287/.386/.469 with 142 home runs. His .855 OPS away from his home ballpark is higher than the road OPS of Hall of Famers Dave Winfield (.841), Eddie Murray (.838), Rickey Henderson (.836), Tony Gwynn (.835), Al Kaline (.827) and George Brett (.826), among others.


Why Todd Helton belongs in the hall of fame (mlb.com)
Posted by Oklahomey
Bucksnort, TN
Member since Mar 2013
5036 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:00 am to
so, what you’re saying is that a MLB HOFer is better than a National Championship?
Posted by Salty Morton
Member since Jan 2024
331 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:02 am to
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so, what you’re saying is that a MLB HOFer is better than a National Championship?

Where did he say that? Why are you being such a butt hurt little bitch over another team putting a player in the Hall of Fame?
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
24272 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:08 am to
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Where did he say that? Why are you being such a butt hurt little bitch over another team putting a player in the Hall of Fame?


He definitely implied a fallacy.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:09 am to
quote:

You should check his visitor games stats before making that comment.


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.287 career on the road. .345 at home.
Oof.



There are currently 303 members of the MLB Hall of Fame Batting Registry. Of those, over half (157) have career batting averages below .287.

So, let's eliminate anyone from the HOF with a batting average of .287 or below. See ya, David Ortiz (.286), Yogi Berra (.285), Ryan Sandberg (.285), Carl Yastrzemski (.285), Ken Griffey Jr. (.284), Fred McGriff (.284), Roy Campanella (.283), Dave Winfield (.283), Willie Stargell (.282), Rickey Henderson (.279), Cal Ripken Jr. (.276), Willie McCovey (.270), Carlton Fisk (.269), Pee Wee Reese (.269), Johnny Bench (.267), Brooks Robinson (.267), Ozzie Smith (.262).

All of these players had batting averages below what Helton had AWAY from Coors Field. They were just horrible hitters, I guess.

Oof, indeed.
Posted by Salty Morton
Member since Jan 2024
331 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:10 am to
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He definitely implied a fallacy.

No, he did not.

Had he said something like, "Brian Kelly is a championship caliber coach", that would be a fallacy.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19733 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:36 am to
B!tch
Posted by koreandawg
South Korea
Member since Sep 2015
9050 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:40 am to
I'm sure it did to an extent, but he hit better than anyone who played there, including Larry Walker who is also in the HOF.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16063 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:40 am to
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so, what you’re saying is that a MLB HOFer is better than a National Championship?


You really need to take a moment and unfrick yourself.
Posted by Themicah86
Member since Jun 2023
896 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:53 am to
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There are currently 303 members of the MLB Hall of Fame Batting Registry. Of those, over half (157) have career batting averages below .287.

So, let's eliminate anyone from the HOF with a batting average of .287 or below. See ya, David Ortiz (.286), Yogi Berra (.285), Ryan Sandberg (.285), Carl Yastrzemski (.285), Ken Griffey Jr. (.284), Fred McGriff (.284), Roy Campanella (.283), Dave Winfield (.283), Willie Stargell (.282), Rickey Henderson (.279), Cal Ripken Jr. (.276), Willie McCovey (.270), Carlton Fisk (.269), Pee Wee Reese (.269), Johnny Bench (.267), Brooks Robinson (.267), Ozzie Smith (.262).

All of these players had batting averages below what Helton had AWAY from Coors Field. They were just horrible hitters, I guess.

Oof, indeed.


It will be interesting watching him scramble to move the field goal post on this one. He might suggest that none of those players belong opposed to admitting he was wrong.
Posted by MetryMauler
Member since Sep 2016
7132 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:26 am to
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It will be interesting watching him scramble to move the field goal post on this one. He might suggest that none of those players belong opposed to admitting he was wrong.


Home: .345, 227 HR, 859 RBI
Road: .287, 142 HR, 547 RBI

What was I wrong about?
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