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re: Comparing the # of Championship Coaches at each Big 6 School

Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:04 pm to
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There really wasn't anyone available to hire when Dooley was hired. The only thing I can think of for Dooley, in particular, was he was a young guy who had recruited very well on Saban's staff at LSU, came from a long football pedigree, was a smart guy having been an AD and HC at La Tech, and took La Tech to their forst bowl game in program history.


The timing was bad, clearly, but the Dooley track record was so light

He had been a position coach for Saban at LSU and with the Dolphins and the head coach at Louisiana Tech. However, he was coming off of a 4-8 season the year after his 8 win bowl year.

Just never seemed to make sense to me, even with the limitations of the timeline.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64648 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:06 pm to
oh i agree, that is just the only logical reasoning I could come up with. It was a bad hire regardless.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69908 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:07 pm to
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The killer one was the Dooley hire. I never understood that. It made no sense, his track record was non-existent or up and down at best. I just didn't get it. I don't know why they did it.




Hamilton panicked. Cutcliff wanted the job, but Hamilton didn't call him with an offer because he wanted to retain some of the assistants Kiffin left behind to avoid buyouts.

Muschamp, was the head coach in waiting at Texas, turned us down.

Gary Patterson had been fricked over by Hamilton a year earlier in favor of Kiffin, he said no.


But the biggest frick you was received by Kippy Brown. Kippy may have been a horrible head coach, we'll never know, but NOBODY would have appreciated that job more than him. He would have broken his back for Tennessee, he loved our school, and loved those players. He held that locker room and recruiting class together after Kiffin took off, and Hamilton fricked him over. Basically interviewed him to appease the press, never even remotely considered him.


I'll never forgive Hamilton for that, never.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42636 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:09 pm to
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I think if Fulmer was let go after the 2005 season and not when he was, things would have played out much better for Tennessee in the long run. Fulmer had gotten lazy recruiting, and by the time he was gone, there wasn't much left. Then, Kiffin leaving after a year, and very late, just exasperated the problem. It's kind of crazy to think how good Tennessee was year in and year out for as long as they were and then look at them today


A lot of people say that Phil got lazy with recruits and I thought that as well for a while. However, he actually had great classes on paper but had a run of highly ranked recruits that should've panned out but ended up being busts.

I've always felt that the beginning of the end was Kelly Washington's ego which just kinda infected the program as soon as he arrived and stayed even after he was gone (although the real problems didn't start showing on the field until years after he was gone).

Even so, if Fulmer hadn't had a spell of bust QBs that simply didn't have it despite their rankings (plus a bad OC hire) he'd probably still be coaching. But really, we had a lot of problems beyond the football team -- the AD was a mess leadership and we went through a run of awful school Presidents, one who rather famously ripped us off.

I'm glad things are finally on track again on all those fronts. Granted, Dave Hart has had some pretty awful decisions as AD but he's gotten us in the black and is better than the incompetence we had before.

Kiffin fricked us way more than Fulmer. We were still in a good position when he took over but his flight set us back years because it led to a hire like Dooley. Dooley's incompetence was bad enough but his attitude was worse. He took us to new lows and had Hart not lucked into Jones we'd still be behind. CBJ managed to do the impossible and rebuild our roster far faster than should've been possible. No one wants to believe it but we really did have one of the worst rosters in the SEC when he arrived - on par with Kentucky/Vandy and in some ways worse.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 3:14 pm
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:11 pm to
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Hamilton


Where is Hamilton now?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69908 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:13 pm to
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Where is Hamilton now?



Hopefully face down in a ditch with traffic cone sized dildo up his arse
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42636 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:18 pm to
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But the biggest frick you was received by Kippy Brown. Kippy may have been a horrible head coach, we'll never know, but NOBODY would have appreciated that job more than him. He would have broken his back for Tennessee, he loved our school, and loved those players. He held that locker room and recruiting class together after Kiffin took off, and Hamilton fricked him over. Basically interviewed him to appease the press, never even remotely considered him.


I agree with you on this. TBH, I thought Kippy should've been given a shot even if it was on a temporary/trial basis. When I found out Hammy didn't interview him for the HC position until AFTER the hire had been made I was sick.

Talk about a fricking insult.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36371 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:24 pm to
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LSU 4 National Championship Coaches: (Wingard, Dietzel, Saban, Miles)

10 Conference Championship Coaches: (Jeardeau, Wingard, Jones, Moore*, Dietzel*, McClendon, Arnsparger, Archer, Saban*, Miles*)


That is pretty awesome.
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
Member since Jan 2013
10161 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:40 pm to
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It truly is, my sister went to Tennessee and she only witnessed two home losses in her four years there. It really puts it into perspective.

Similar here. If you were a freshmen at LSU in Fall 2010, you only saw 1 home loss.

2010 Home Record
W Mississippi State
W #22 West Virginia
W Tennessee
W McNeese
W #5 Alabama
W ULM
W Ole Miss

2011 Home Record
W Northwestern
W Kentucky
W #17 Florida
W #19 Auburn
W Western Kentucky
W #3 Arkansas

2012 Home Record
W North Texas
W Washington
W Idaho
W Towson
W #3 South Carolina
L #1 Alabama
W #22 Mississippi State
W Ole Miss

2013 Home Record
W UAB
W Kent State
W Auburn
W #17 Florida
W Furman
W #9 Texas A&M
W Arkansas





This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted by Sid E Walker
InsecureU ©
Member since Nov 2013
23884 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:24 pm to
Question for the older LSU folks about Mike Archer. I thought he was gonna be a great HC for you guys. Didn't he start off really good in his first year or so?

I seem to recall one year that LSU was either undefeated or only had one loss and were pretty heavily favored to beat Bama and the Tide killed them.
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