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re: Chip Kelly's Curious Moves Resulting in him coming to the SEC in 2016
Posted on 3/9/15 at 12:58 pm to Toby Flenderson
Posted on 3/9/15 at 12:58 pm to Toby Flenderson
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The same year that Vick couldnt win the freaking Jets QB job
Vick doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. It is worth noting that out of the door, people on the staff were telling the NY media that they were instructed to give Geno the ball. Who knows if that is sour grapes or not though?
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Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:00 pm to therick711
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scheme-related insights,
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he wasn't accurate enough
and he was never good at reading a defense.
You have to be able to make quick accurate throws and you must be able to read the matchups if the up tempo stuff is going to work.
Vick wasn't good at either. His fragile body was just the cherry on top of all that makes him a no go.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:02 pm to Dr RC
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and he was never good at reading a defense.
you have to be able to make quick accurate throws and you must be able to read the matchups if the up tempo stuff is going to work.
Vick wasn't good at either.
No offense, but if you're going to call me stupid, shouldn't you offer something that I didn't already cover in my post? Tell me about his scheme, Dr RC. Or at least say you overreacted.
Nah, I know better than to expect the latter. Seriously, though, what do I need to know about his scheme?Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:02 pm to therick711
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True, but if you're going to have big names, Gronk and Brady are two very important ones, no?
Yes, really only Brady though. Philly has Ertz who will probably be a really good TE. Its a QB league and Kelly knows QB's. The problem is getting in position to sign a franchise QB. They're rare already. You basically have to tank and draft one, or get lucky like NE and SEA did. Even when GB got Rodgers, he wasn't supposed to drop that far in the 1st round.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:04 pm to TeLeFaWx
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He would KILL IT at Georgia. Richt will never get it done.
That scheme at Georgia would be weird to see.
Georgia would be even a tougher out with Kelly. Bad news for the East.Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:08 pm to therick711
uhh you need to know that the QB has to be very accurate on quick decision passes and has to be able read the defense quickly pre snap. The entire thing falls apart if you dont have that.
Vick has neither which is why saying that he is was a better fit shows you havent watched much of Kelly's teams.
also, I didnt call you stupid, I said you didnt know squat about Kelly's system.
Vick has neither which is why saying that he is was a better fit shows you havent watched much of Kelly's teams.
also, I didnt call you stupid, I said you didnt know squat about Kelly's system.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:08 pm to therick711
quote:Agreed and upvoted.
I think anyone being serious realizes that unless Gus moves on on his own, that Auburn is set for a long time at head coach. They have an innovative guy that has won everywhere. The trolling is to be expected, but it doesn't make sense.
As for Chip Kelly, there is really no telling where he could land in college football IF he isn't able to get it done in the NFL. Everyone, who's anyone, will come calling - unless they already have a great coach in place. And he could land in any conference with future success, IMO.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:10 pm to Dr RC
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uhh you need to know that the QB has to be very accurate and able read the defense quickly pre snap.
No offense, but I don't know of a single NFL scheme that can be run with a quarterback that can't read a defense quickly. NFL defensive players are so crazy good that the windows are tiny. Imagine trying to complete a pass in a league where you have to anticipate your guy's break, but you have no idea where the defenders are going to be because you didn't get a good pre-snap read. It would be impossible. You'd basically have to go with the Rex Grossman "frick it, I'm going deep" approach.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:13 pm to TTsTowel
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IF he isn't able to get it done in the NFL. Everyone, who's anyone, will come calling - unless they already have a great coach in place. And he could land in any conference with future success, IMO.
That's true. The SEC leading the way on paying coaches makes it likely he could end up there. Also, as the head coaching fraternity in the conference grays, you could see three or four top jobs come open in the next three years (probably more like five, though). Would be an interesting time for the conference.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:14 pm to therick711
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No offense, but I don't know of a single NFL scheme that can be run with a quarterback that can't read a defense quickly. NFL defensive players are so crazy good that the windows are tiny. Imagine trying to complete a pass in a league where you have to anticipate your guy's break, but you have no idea where the defenders are going to be because you didn't get a good pre-snap read.
of course you need it for all schemes.
HOWEVER, it is completely essential for Kelly b/c its based on speed and creating mismatches in space.
Its not an offense where you ground and pound to soften a D to go deep.
Its based on short, fast passes that get WRs the chance to make a move for a big play.
Vick is a guy that was more of a scrambler. He was never accurate and he relied too much on his ability to move in the pocket than figuring out where the best place for the ball was.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:16 pm to Dr._Jimes_Tooper
maybe he is a cowboys fan
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:18 pm to Team Vote
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South Carolina maybe?
My pants just got tight.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:18 pm to Dr RC
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of course you need it for all schemes.
HOWEVER, it is completely essential for Kelly b/c its based on speed and creating mismatches in space.
Its not an offense where you ground and pound to soften a D to go deep.
Its based on short, fast passes that get WRs the chance to make a move for a big play.
Vick is a guy that was more of a scrambler. He was never accurate and he relied too much on his ability to move in the pocket than figuring out where the best place for the ball was.
Fair enough. It sounds like no one needs to know anything about Kelly's scheme to get that, though. it is needed for all schemes, but it is REALLY needed for Kelly's scheme. Sure. Got it.
In terms of the actual thread, you see him succeeding with the Eagles or moving back to the college game?
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:19 pm to therick711
I'm thinking A&M.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:20 pm to therick711
I think he will be successful in the NFL but I'm not sure it will ultimately be in Philly.
I don't think he will come back to college though.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:20 pm to Ericvol2096
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Ericvol2096
What are the chances that the Vols would have a vacancy in 2016? It doesn't seem super likely given the talent Butch has brought in, but he could always fall flat or leave for a pro job, so it isn't certain that he would be there.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:21 pm to Dr RC
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I think he will be successful in the NFL but I'm not sure it will ultimately be in Philly.
If it worked out in Philly, it would be one of the first times in a while that the coach with final say on personnel worked out. I think the demands of both jobs necessitate two guys who trust each other to do the right things.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 1:23 pm to therick711
I'm not sure what Chip is trying to do with his team, but Foles and yes, even Sanchez are better than Vick at this point in their careers.
By the way, what's the status on Foles right now? He still signed to the Eagles? They cutting him?
By the way, what's the status on Foles right now? He still signed to the Eagles? They cutting him?
Posted on 3/9/15 at 2:05 pm to therick711
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That scheme at Georgia would be weird to see.
Georgia would be even a tougher out with Kelly. Bad news for the East.
Any of Chip Kelly's teams with a good QB and the talent Richt has had any season of the last decade would win and win big.
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