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re: can you be considered a great basketball coach if

Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:50 pm to
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:50 pm to
I just looked at the box score.

UK: 13-24 54.2%
UCONN: 10-10 100%

UK has the advantage from +14 attempts only +3 total.

3 point shooting
UK: 5-16 31.3%
UCONN: 6-19 31.6%

That one additional 3 erased UK's FT advantage and it came down to FGMs.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:52 pm to
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Ok I will rephrase. How hard is it to practice free throws? Surely a great coach can devote enough time to a teams schedule to shoot over 50% in a game.


Well, most places that have the facilities like UK, the players are responsible for FTs on their own time.

In Cal's case, since his offense basically consists of rolling the ball on the court, he needs to devote a large portion of his practice schedule to FTs.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:55 pm to
Cal has said it before in the past that the free throws are up to these guys if they want to work on them.

Someone tracked his teams free throw shooting over each season and everyone except the 2012 team got better over the season. The only reason the 2012 team didn't really improve because they started off as good free throw shooters.

Rick Pitino is a HOF coach and you could blame their free throw shooting for the loss against Kentucky in the Sweet 16.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:58 pm to
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Rick Pitino is a HOF coach and you could blame their free throw shooting for the loss against Kentucky in the Sweet 16.



Most games are won or lost at the FT line, Cal has and will catch flack over his team's as the generally shoot less than 70% as a team. One of his Memphis teams barely shot above 50% (IIRC).
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:00 pm to
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Most games are won or lost at the FT line, Cal has and will catch flack over his team's as the generally shoot less than 70% as a team. One of his Memphis teams barely shot above 50% (IIRC).



A lot of it comes down to personnel as well. Some guys just aren't good free throw shooters like Dakari Johnson for example.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:05 pm to
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A lot of it comes down to personnel as well. Some guys just aren't good free throw shooters like Dakari Johnson for example.



Very few people have the body that makes it hard for them to shoot FTs in the conventional shooting method.

There isn't enough time to correct these mechanic issues on the college level.

Coaching could play a factor for these players, either teaching them to not use their guide hand, or honestly a guy like say Shaq would have been better off shooting "granny style" from the line. I know you "look like a fool", but you would look better making them than throwing up brick after brick after brick.

People look at the Team FT% for this reason, it is expected for your guards to shoot above 80% and the bigger a guy gets the closer to 50%, when as a team the number falls below the 70% mark it indicates a lack of work ethic of the players on that team and a lack of attention to an important aspect of the game by the coaching staff.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:07 pm to
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How hard is it to practice free throws? Surely a great coach can devote enough time to a teams schedule to shoot over 50% in a game.

Doesn't matter how much you practice, some players just aren't good at them. Would you say Shaq was a lazy bum because he didn't make free throws?
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:09 pm to
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Doesn't matter how much you practice, some players just aren't good at them. Would you say Shaq was a lazy bum because he didn't make free throws?


Keep reading, I went over this, but by all means lets go straight to the rare example where the size of a guy's hands, height of the player, and length of his arms hinders his ability to shoot an unguarded shot from the FT line.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68504 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:11 pm to
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I went over this, but by all means lets go straight to the rare example where the size of a guy's hands, height of the player, and length of his arms hinders his ability to shoot an unguarded shot from the FT line.

Rare? There are hundreds of players at any given time at the college or NBA level that are like that. Not just Shaq.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42349 posts
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:22 pm to
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Rare? There are hundreds of players at any given time at the college or NBA level that are like that.


Hundreds out of 5K plus on the college level.

These players account for a small portion of the roster, these players are not the explanation for a team's FT% to be below 70%, as a team UK shot 68% on the year.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 5:04 am to
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He has had more NBA first round picks than the next top 3 teams combined during this time frame...


Makes you wonder how he's attracting that kind of talent vs. programs of similar stature?













Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119121 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:22 am to
Never understood how college and pro ball players, who play ball everyday of their lives are not 80% FT shooters or better. Makes no sense to me.

Posted by SpartyGator
Detroit Lions fan
Member since Oct 2011
75431 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:51 am to
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Message Posted by Summer of George Great recruiter. Good coach.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 6:56 am to
Recruiting is part of coaching. Cal's job is to win games and put butts in seats and he has done that.
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