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re: Can Only 1 Mississippi School Dominate at a Time?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:32 pm to Tridentds
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:32 pm to Tridentds
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This must be a trick question. Is the answer some other school outside of Mississippi????
When the question is Mississippi schools, the answer is always, "LSU".
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:35 pm to lsutothetop
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I should have phrased that last part better. They don't have either the resources or the willingness to invest them at present both to lock down the state of Mississippi and to bring in the out-of-state talent they would need to compete nationally alongside the MS talent. It's kinda like how Louisiana has enough talent to keep LSU strong, but how we supplement with Texas and some FL/GA talent to stay with college football's elite. A Mississippi school would need to do the same -- lock down MS and pull from hot spots nearby (Memphis, Birmingham, and a couple of guys from TX/FL/GA). They don't have the resources or willingness to do both. So the choice becomes de-emphasizing Mississippi, and letting the rival get stronger by letting them pick up the leftovers, or de-emphasizing out-of-state, and not getting the talent needed to put them over the top.
ole miss has a built-in handicap that will not allow them to consistently attract the best available talent. the handicap has nothing to do with resources or geography.
state's built-in handicap is starkpatch. premier athletes don't want to go to boring schools?
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:36 pm to lsutothetop
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I should have phrased that last part better. They don't have either the resources or the willingness to invest them at present both to lock down the state of Mississippi and to bring in the out-of-state talent they would need to compete nationally alongside the MS talent. It's kinda like how Louisiana has enough talent to keep LSU strong, but how we supplement with Texas and some FL/GA talent to stay with college football's elite. A Mississippi school would need to do the same -- lock down MS and pull from hot spots nearby (Memphis, Birmingham, and a couple of guys from TX/FL/GA). They don't have the resources or willingness to do both. So the choice becomes de-emphasizing Mississippi, and letting the rival get stronger by letting them pick up the leftovers, or de-emphasizing out-of-state, and not getting the talent needed to put them over the top. (ETA: And of course you're not going to pick the route that endangers your core recruiting ground.)
Ok I gotcha. It's kinda like how LSU was able to sustain success once they stopped outsiders from poaching their in-state talent. At this point, LSU has the success to allow them to miss top guys in-state and supplement them elsewhere. The Mississippi schools do not appear to have considered this route
Mississippi residents, do you agree or disagree?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:36 pm to white beans
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it has nothing to do with the people inhabiting the state
Aside from people in the delta, yes. New Jersey is a very rich state. Do you think it is because of it's location with the coast and NYC or because of the people who inhabit it? Use your brain
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:38 pm to undecided
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At this point, LSU has the success to allow them to miss top guys in-state and supplement them elsewhere. The Mississippi schools do not appear to have considered this route
Have you not been following OM's recruiting?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:39 pm to white beans
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state's built-in handicap is starkpatch. premier athletes don't want to go to boring schools?
Even though they have cowbells?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:39 pm to white beans
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ole miss has a built-in handicap that will not allow them to consistently attract the best available talent. the handicap has nothing to do with resources or geography.
We've made big strides towards fixing that, but youre correct. Our top 5 recruiting class and this year's is proof of our progression.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:39 pm to lsutothetop
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I should have phrased that last part better. They don't have either the resources or the willingness to invest them at present both to lock down the state of Mississippi and to bring in the out-of-state talent they would need to compete nationally alongside the MS talent. It's kinda like how Louisiana has enough talent to keep LSU strong, but how we supplement with Texas and some FL/GA talent to stay with college football's elite. A Mississippi school would need to do the same -- lock down MS and pull from hot spots nearby (Memphis, Birmingham, and a couple of guys from TX/FL/GA). They don't have the resources or willingness to do both. So the choice becomes de-emphasizing Mississippi, and letting the rival get stronger by letting them pick up the leftovers, or de-emphasizing out-of-state, and not getting the talent needed to put them over the top. (ETA: And of course you're not going to pick the route that endangers your core recruiting ground.)
Is this not exactly what Freeze has been doing?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:40 pm to undecided
I don't think Hugh Freeze gives a frick about anything y'all are saying.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:40 pm to Whereisomaha
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Have you not been following OM's recruiting?
1 recruiting cycle does not an perennial contender make
*Auburn had several Top 10 recruiting classess and an NC and look where that got us. It takes a lot more than recruiting to sustain a top program
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:41 pm to undecided
That's not what he's implying. He's point out that the route that the lsu fan above mentioned in order to become a contender is exactly the route freeze has taken since he got here.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:41 pm to undecided
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Mississippi residents, do you agree or disagree?
In a way yes. State and OM both completely gave up on athletics from the 70's-90's. We are just now catching up as far as investment into our athletic programs. Two decades of disregard put us way behind though.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:41 pm to lsutothetop
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We have managed to build successful cities where people actually want to live and visit. And we have provided the country with unique cultural contributions. Alabama and Mississippi are a push. Ppl not from there tend to avoid both states whenever possible.
That's true. But, Olive Branch, MS is the fastest growing town in the nation. That and economic growth is expected double in MS in the next 3 years.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:43 pm to undecided
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1 recruiting cycle does not an perennial contender make
Well that is how long our staff has been in place and with what is happening this year, you might as well say, two recruiting cycles. No we havent done what we need to do in the past to succeed with our handicaps, thus our lack of success. We are now.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:45 pm to undecided
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We've made big strides towards fixing that, but youre correct. Our top 5 recruiting class and this year's is proof of our progression.
you got lucky and scored a signature from a mediocre player who had an amazingly talented little brother w/friends.
Your last stud got railroaded into going to ole miss by a family of boosters.
ole miss catching lightning in a bottle is nothing new, you are pretty competitive 2 out of every 5 years.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:46 pm to rebeloke
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Look to LA and AR for what MS should have done. If ever a state needed one major SEC it is MS. FL only has 1 SEC school. There is not enough talent in MS to feed two SEC schools. Too late now. Our redeeming grace is the Jucos in MS can offset the lack of HS talent.
If MS only had one SEC school from the get-go, we would be running this piece of shite conference right now.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:47 pm to Whereisomaha
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Well that is how long our staff has been in place and with what is happening this year, you might as well say, two recruiting cycles. No we havent done what we need to do in the past to succeed with our handicaps, thus our lack of success. We are now.
I'll concede with the caveat that Auburn will be your true test. Lose to Alabama and it's, "well they're Alabama they can only lose to themselves" Lose to Auburn and it's the "same ole miss"
Also look at what's happening to State during your assent. Muffin (kudo's to whoever came up with this nickname) likely survives this season but if next year is worse, where does State realistically go?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:48 pm to undecided
1999 was pretty good for the landmass.
Finished 12, 13, and 22.
Finished 12, 13, and 22.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:49 pm to white beans
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you got lucky and scored a signature from a mediocre player
That's a funny way to spell 1st team All-SEC player
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:51 pm to lsutothetop
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A Mississippi school would need to do the same -- lock down MS and pull from hot spots nearby (Memphis, Birmingham, and a couple of guys from TX/FL/GA). They don't have the resources or willingness to do both.
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So the choice becomes de-emphasizing Mississippi, and letting the rival get stronger by letting them pick up the leftovers, or de-emphasizing out-of-state, and not getting the talent needed to put them over the top.
I disagree with this. Getting a MS kid out of MS isn't nearly as easy as it used to be. So we are slowly but surely sealing off the borders. There will always be outliers (Pack and Voorhies sp?) who live so far from both schools, it's just as close to go to FSU/LSU respectively. So the geography of the schools hurt some.
As for hotspot recruiting, both MSU and OM are currently recruiting the Atlanta Metro, Memphis, TX, LA, and FL areas. During the 2014 cycle they combine for 9 kids from GA currently committed, so both have made adjustments.
No one team will ever "dominate" in-state recruiting in MS...just the way it has always been.
So neither of your options are even on the table for either staff. But it does come down to money/budgets. Two of the smallest in the SEC, so the reach isn't going to be as big, therefore the margin for error is much smaller. We can't afford misses in our recruiting classes, and to date...both schools have had plenty.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:55 pm
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