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Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:27 pm to IvIerlot
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There will be a cap within 2 years. Bookmark.
Definitely
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:44 pm to IvIerlot
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There will be a cap within 2 years. Bookmark.
A cap to NIL money?
The courts just knocked down the NCAA's ability to not have NIL contracts induce a player to attend a school because they view it as anti-trust.
If they won't allow THAT, what makes you think they'll be okay with someone saying "oh, you can't sign that contract because it would mean your school has given too much money to players through NIL"?
You're not seeing what the impact of your lawsuit actually is. There will be NO rules on NIL. None will be allowed in the future unless states or the federal government passes legislation on it. Anything limiting what a player can earn through NIL will be shot down for the same reason Tennessee is shooting down the NCAA's pay to play rule right now.
It's funny that you think after suing the NCAA for trying to put the smallest limit on NIL (no pay for play), someone will be able to place a larger limit like a salary cap for NIL. It isn't going to happen. You've killed that goose.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:07 pm to DawginSC
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A cap to NIL money?
No. NIL is off limits now. College football just needs to become an actual structured collective organization and do so in a way that makes NIL something that's only appealing if you actually want an athlete to endorse your business or product.
This is how every pro sport works. And CFB is a pro sport now.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:35 pm to jonnyanony
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No. NIL is off limits now. College football just needs to become an actual structured collective organization and do so in a way that makes NIL something that's only appealing if you actually want an athlete to endorse your business or product.
This is how every pro sport works. And CFB is a pro sport now.
If you look at it rationally, it won't work that way.
If you have players get salaries from schools and create a salary cap but NIL is uncapped, you don't have a salary cap.
Yeah, UGA might only be able to pay Brock Bowers 750 grand due to their salary cap, but UGA boosters can give him 5 million dollars in NIL on top of that if he stays at UGA.
With NIL uncapped, there's no cap.
The key difference between the NFL and college football is that there are no NFL boosters. You don't have billionaires who want to see their college win who will throw out huge sums of advertising contracts to aid their team.
The only way to actually achieve what you wanted would have needed Tennessee to lose their court case and to have NIL deals not be able to be pay to play. Then you could have a collectively bargained, capped situation similar to the NFL.
But if boosters can create fake advertising deals that actually just pay players to go to a certain school, it's impossible to create the scenario you want. Because any rules limiting money can be worked around through NIL deals from boosters who are okay with "wasting" millions to try to get their team to win a championship.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:38 pm to Bigdawgb
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IANAL
Some things shouldn't be abbreviated. You're gonna get the Aggies all riled up.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:25 pm to DawginSC
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If you look at it rationally, it won't work that way.
If you have players get salaries from schools and create a salary cap but NIL is uncapped, you don't have a salary cap.
I'm not talking about a cap on NIL.
If you have salaries you also have contracts. Which means you have stability.
It works in every other pro sport. NIL is used for actual endorsement deals.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:27 pm to jonnyanony
Because organizations like the NFL and NBA have contracts and an organizational structure, Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban can't have all their buddies offer NIL to every top player and consolidate all stars.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:37 pm to jonnyanony
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If you have salaries you also have contracts. Which means you have stability.
It works in every other pro sport
Pro sports don’t have title IX to deal with. Based on title IX, there can be no discrimination based on sex. So a football player’s salary will be the same as a women’s tennis player. ‘Just pay them a salary’ is going to be a lot more complicated than just paying them a salary.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:37 pm to jonnyanony
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If you have salaries you also have contracts. Which means you have stability.
It works in every other pro sport
There will also be all kinds of unintended consequences that arise from different states having different employment laws. They have opened a can of worms that was full of more than worms.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:02 pm to captdalton
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Pro sports don’t have title IX to deal with.
I don't think college football will have much actual affiliation with the colleges in the near future.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:19 pm to Bigdawgb
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Honestly IANAL, but I am struggling here also.
How much struggle did you bring upon yourself. And... aTm board.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:30 pm to jonnyanony
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They can't, but they can reduce the incentives to NIL as pay-for-play by doing things like instituting a draft and paying players salaries.
How in the world are you going to "draft" a hs senior, or jr who reclassifies, into a university which they don't wish to attend? I mean damn, what good does it do when a person wants to be an engineer (in most any discipline), and have his playing rights controlled by Tennessee instead of GA Tech because, well, they were up next!!
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:39 pm to jonnyanony
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don't think college football will have much actual affiliation with the colleges in the near future.
That may well be the truest statement in the thread, but then, it won't be college football.
It could be the NFL should start a developmental league, let them pay the salaries and have the contracts and deal with all the labor laws... and the universities could get back to college football. Most of the 4 and 5 star talent would want to try the developmental league out of hs... that means colleges would be recruiting and developing the 3 star kinda guys. Heck, they might even have to go to class!
Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:42 pm to GBJs
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How in the world are you going to "draft" a hs senior, or jr who reclassifies, into a university which they don't wish to attend?
By making it optional. But if you decline then you sit your first year.
But like I said I don't think college will have much to do with the sport in a few years.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/27/24 at 6:32 pm to jonnyanony
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I don't think college football will have much actual affiliation with the colleges in the near future.
Then it will be just another semi pro league. We have seen how well those have worked out in the past.
If they aren’t careful they are going to kill the goose.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:24 pm to IvIerlot
This is what I thought. Similar to when schools would place players at jucos. It'll just be a feeder for a big school.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:27 pm to GBJs
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There's no way that flies. Can you imagine Congress or the courts being okay with the NCAA telling a player from Florida he has to attend school at Boise State in Idaho if he wants to get an athletic scholarship because they hold his draft rights?
They do this now w medical school. You have the rank system where students where they’d like to go and an algorithm determines where you end up. Lot of tears shed on Match day. This could easily be set up for college football. Until the players lose the ability to exclusively choose to go where they want pay for play will always be a problem.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:47 pm to ukraine_rebel
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They do this now w medical school. You have the rank system where students where they’d like to go and an algorithm determines where you end up.
While true, this is apples and bbq.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:01 pm to borotiger
I think what is most different about it is med students actually want to go to school and top flight athletes don't care
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