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Calipari and Coach K
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:54 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:54 am
Serious question.
How does the national media dump on Calipari for such things as One and Done and vacating Final Four appearances but lifts Coach K up as the greatest coach since Wooden? It isn't like Coach K has a clean record either. His stance on One and Done has changed the last 2-3 years. He once stated that he would not recruit players that would be potential One and Done and has since recruited several that fall under that category. And he has had two players receive improper benefits and nothing was done - even while three other schools were penalized for the exact same thing. Just seems like one gets a pass while the other coach gets stiffed. Just wondering why the difference between the two coaches when it comes to things such as this. Thoughts?
How does the national media dump on Calipari for such things as One and Done and vacating Final Four appearances but lifts Coach K up as the greatest coach since Wooden? It isn't like Coach K has a clean record either. His stance on One and Done has changed the last 2-3 years. He once stated that he would not recruit players that would be potential One and Done and has since recruited several that fall under that category. And he has had two players receive improper benefits and nothing was done - even while three other schools were penalized for the exact same thing. Just seems like one gets a pass while the other coach gets stiffed. Just wondering why the difference between the two coaches when it comes to things such as this. Thoughts?
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:09 am to whiskeyjohn
Because Calipari is white and coach K is black.
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:26 am to KCM0Tiger
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Because Calipari is white and coach K is black.
Wait....
I never knew....
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:37 am to whiskeyjohn
Coach K has always been on teaching his players the technical side of the ball and stressing the little things. It was apparent the other night but that has gotten him in trouble in the past. Occasionally, you can tell his players are thinking too much and trying to set up these ridiculous screens and layups. I personally believe that Kentucky, had they beaten Wisconsin, would've taken a massive shite on Duke because they match up soooooo much better than Wisconsin did despite the big time Kaminsky. I think Towns and the Harrison twins would've had a field day on Okafor.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:49 am to FourThreeForty
These coaches are not remotely in the same category.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:29 am to whiskeyjohn
Doesn't every coach in every sport have to adjust their recruiting philosophy at some point, whether it be rule changes, new strategies, etc? Even at that, he still recruits more than just one and done's
He's probably given a little wiggle room with the NCAA considering the image and brand he provided (somewhat still has) college basketball with. I'm not saying he shouldn't be held to different levels of punishment for cheating, but I also am not surprised he isn't because of his brand.
Overall he's just adjusted with the times to keep Duke a national power. That's his job after all. He's adjusted and STILL maintains incredible APR scores
He's probably given a little wiggle room with the NCAA considering the image and brand he provided (somewhat still has) college basketball with. I'm not saying he shouldn't be held to different levels of punishment for cheating, but I also am not surprised he isn't because of his brand.
Overall he's just adjusted with the times to keep Duke a national power. That's his job after all. He's adjusted and STILL maintains incredible APR scores
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 2:33 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:39 am to FourThreeForty
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Coach K has always been on teaching his players the technical side of the ball and stressing the little things. It was apparent the other night but that has gotten him in trouble in the past. Occasionally, you can tell his players are thinking too much and trying to set up these ridiculous screens and layups. I personally believe that Kentucky, had they beaten Wisconsin, would've taken a massive shite on Duke because they match up soooooo much better than Wisconsin did despite the big time Kaminsky. I think Towns and the Harrison twins would've had a field day on Okafor.
Never said he wasn't a great coach. I also think he is light years ahead of Calipari in that category. But why does he get a pass for the exact same things that Calipari doesn't? Or the three other schools who received punishment for similar offenses. The Thomas and Magette issues were major violations and he and Duke walk away clean. Nothing. Just seems that the national media, along with the NCAA, give him these passes because he is a great coach... nevermind the fact that his program is not nearly as clean as they make it out to be.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 2:44 am to tigerbait2010
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Doesn't every coach in every sport have to adjust their recruiting philosophy at some point, whether it be rule changes, new strategies, etc? Even at that, he still recruits more than just one and done's
But here is where I have issues with the media and Coach K. He was against One and Done players and publically stated as such. Then, when he exits the tourney a few years pretty early, he "adjusts" his philosophy and is revered as a coach who makes adjustments and is considered a coaching genius... meanwhile Calipari has ruined college basketball. I say BS.
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He's probably given a little wiggle room with the NCAA considering the image and brand he provided (somewhat still has) college basketball with. I'm not saying he shouldn't be held to different levels of punishment for cheating, but I also am not surprised he isn't because of his brand.
He was given a little more than wiggle room with the Magette and Thomas issues. The NCAA basically turned a blind eye to him and Duke all the while slapping Calipari for the D Rose issue and the Camby issue. And the other three schools who were hammered as well. That's more than wiggle room for him. That's BS.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 5:41 am to whiskeyjohn
One coaches and wins with college talent while the other has NBA talent.
Who received the improper benefits? I like your question though, I never understood why Dean Smith was so revered - program has been exposed as dirty, he rarely won it all and usually had the best talent in the nation and he had more on court thugs than anyone not named Georgetown.
Who received the improper benefits? I like your question though, I never understood why Dean Smith was so revered - program has been exposed as dirty, he rarely won it all and usually had the best talent in the nation and he had more on court thugs than anyone not named Georgetown.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 5:46 am to nc14
Convenient how the media and fans swept Corey Maggette openly taking money in 1999 when Duke finished runner up. The guy admitted it and nothing was done, yet haters want to lambast Cal because Camby did the same thing. Complete hypocrisy.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 5:50 am to KCM0Tiger
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Because Calipari is white and coach K is black.
I think you have those backwards
Posted on 4/8/15 at 5:50 am to UKWildcats
Maggette took money in high school. How does that implicate Duke?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 5:53 am to nc14
See Kanter, Enes.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:00 am to nc14
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Maggette took money in high school. How does that implicate Duke?
In theory it wouldn't implicate Duke. But three other schools had players take money from the same AAU coach and they were punished by the NCAA. But the same argument could be made for Calipari and D Rose. His issue also happened while he was in high school. The NCAA clears him, then comes back and punished Memphis and Calipari and stated that Memphis should have known what Rose did.
As far as Thomas, dude makes a $30,000 down payment on jewelry with another $70,000 on a promisary note. When asked how he got so much money, neither the jeweler, Thomas, or Duke would agree to talk. The NCAA does nothing. Really no different than Camby taking money from an agent. Calipari said he didn't know, Camby said nobody else knew either but still Calipari gets hammered.
As great a coach that K is, it does appear that the NCAA turns a blind eye to the same things they end up punishing other schools for, hence my original question. Why is Coach K and Duke treated differently in the eyes of the NCAA and/or the national media?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:01 am to UKWildcats
That is still not implicating Duke. That one is on the NCAA
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:04 am to whiskeyjohn
Coach K is an icon in NCAA BB and is well respected Cal not so much
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:07 am to LSUNV
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That is still not implicating Duke. That one is on the NCAA
But the same thing did implicate Memphis, Okla State, and the two other schools that I can't remember off the top of my head.
The Thomas ordeal was much more serious IMO but nothing became of that. Let Karl Towns walk in to a jeweler and slap down $30k and ask yourself what would the NCAA do? We know the answer to that one.
Let us not forget the issue with the player that Coach K dismissed from the team a few months ago. He knew about the alleged rape months before and still allowed the kid to play. Then, shortly before the alleged victim's story comes out, he dismisses him from the team for violation of team rules. Coincidence? Maybe. But more likely Coach K was more interested in his perceived image than either the player or the girl. And did the national media run with the story? Hardly.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:07 am to whiskeyjohn
Gotcha. 
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:11 am to whiskeyjohn
It implicated those schools because those improper benefits came from well known boosters of said school. they should have used a middle man
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:14 am to LSUNV
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It implicated those schools because those improper benefits came from well known boosters of said school. they should have used a middle man
The schools were implicated due to the high school players taking money from the same AAU coach that gave Magette his money. If you're gonna post, get your facts correct.
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