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re: Biggest strategic mistake of the game

Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by crimson crazy
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:48 pm to
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Biggest strategic mistake for LSU was sending Ware between the tackles on 3rd down with 8 seconds to go in the half. Time could have expired, but there was almost no chance he will score there. I still can't believe they didn't run the option once on that series of downs.


The option was your saving grace. I know you guys hate the stats, but look at the numbers. LINK

You only threw for 91 yards, and Ware rushed 16 times for 29 yards, a 1.8 YPC average. Ford rushed 11 times for 72 yards, a 6.5 average, thanks to the option. Good decision by the coaching staff. I'm still surprised we didn't defense it better.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:50 pm to
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Assuming it hits the wire in that scenario too.

Was this "hits the wire" ever confirmed? CBS says Maze was basically making that up. A 72yd punt slowed down by a wire? How long was the punt going w/o hitting the wire and HTH was Maze going to field it? Think about that.
Posted by AUtigR24
Happy Hour
Member since Apr 2011
19755 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:50 pm to
Bama's whole OT possession looked awkward, and rushed. I don't enough thought and time went into that whole drive.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:57 pm to
Maze said it did. I'm taking him at his word. But a wire isn't exactly a jumbotron, like in Dallas. Just because it may, or may not have, hit it doesn't mean it would die immediately. Or even if it did, wouldn't necessarily mean that once it hit the turf it would commence rolling. For instance, the trajectory that rugby punts takes often leads to them hitting the ground after 20-30 yards, only to roll substantially more.

I have not seen a replay of the punt, but if I remember correctly, the punt rolled about 20 yards behind Maze, once it went over his head.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:00 pm to
4th and 2.

Saban sends the punter out there.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41161 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:01 pm to
While I would go with this one-
1st & 10 inside LSU's 30, a tie game in the 4th quarter against basically an NFL secondary, and you have your WR throw the ball.

No matter which one you pick, as far as biggest strategic mistakes, it was one of Saban's.
Posted by crimson crazy
Member since Oct 2008
20508 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:01 pm to
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Maze said it did. I'm taking him at his word.


I would like to take his word for it, but I don't see how hitting a wire makes the ball travel farther.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72162 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:05 pm to
I don't think it has anything to do with traveling further. It changed the trajectory of the ball. I believe the punt was around 50 yards in the air, but the trajectory messed with his timing of the catch. Once that was off, it was over. The ball hits the playing surface over his head, and bounces another 20 yards or so. 73 yard punt...
Posted by Big L
Houston
Member since Sep 2005
5406 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:09 pm to
The punt was definitely a low trajetory one and I could see it catching the top of the wire on its way down with the back of the ball and that causing it to lurch one way or another without losing significant speed. It's definitely plausible. either way, the way he was gimping around on that ankle, he wasn't going anywhere and we don't know for sure that the 20 yards would have mattered.
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:12 pm to
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I know you guys hate the stats, but look at the numbers. LINK


I love stats bama fan!

Here's one for you:

Alabama Total Offense inside the 30 yard line: -17 yards, 1 TO
Posted by TigerNutwhack
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
4134 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:14 pm to
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The punt was definitely a low trajetory one and I could see it catching the top of the wire on its way down with the back of the ball and that causing it to lurch one way or another without losing significant speed. It's definitely plausible. either way, the way he was gimping around on that ankle, he wasn't going anywhere and we don't know for sure that the 20 yards would have mattered.



Just watched on Inside LSU on CSS the punt. Tiger Vision's footage followed the ball the whole way, and it did not look like it hit anything. There was no jerk or change of direction. If it hit the wire, it didn't change anything.
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:17 pm to
Ball didn't hit the wire from watching the replay but it sure is nice to have another excuse

Posted by arlo
Member since Oct 2007
12376 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:31 pm to
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I would like to take his word for it,


Well I would too, but I believe we'd have many reports from those in the stadium who would have seen all the long sine waves in the cables. I haven't seen anything like that.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34459 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to
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but I really think the pass play on 3rd and 15 in overtime was the worst call of the night
I agree. I even predicted a screen pass or a draw. At least try to get it inside the 30.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to
Mr L

Saban was afraid to take the 3 points. He was going to try to get 7.

He coached scared/aggressively, in that and other points of the game.

You can call it aggressive. We have hindsight.

If Ford did not step out of bounds on the way to the end zone untouched, then Saban's attempt to go for more than 3 would make more sense to you now.


The coin flip won that game. If LSU had to go first, and Saban KNEW that LSU only scored 3, he would have run up the middle like you said. Then we would be analyzing the 2nd OT.
Of course, with the ball on the 7, LSU might have thrown for the end zone themselves if they were not facing a team that had not scored at all in the first series.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:41 pm
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10170 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:43 pm to
Maze gestured upward for some reason. That may be why someone assumes he said it hit the wire. I am thinking maybe he was instructed to play where he was when he thought he should be further back, then gestured to show the ball was kicked over his head when he couldn't go back to get it with the ankle. Just another idea to further muddy the water.
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